Nuclear Innovation: Clean Energy Future—Creating Opportunities for Cross-Sectoral Cooperation - May 1
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>> Vickie: Great.
I’m Vickie Healey and would like to welcome you to today’s webinar hosted by the National
Renewable Energy Laboratory.
Today’s webinar is focused on the nuclear innovation
clean energy future which is an initiative of
the clean energy ministerial that is creating opportunities for cross sectoral cooperation.
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Quickly I’d like to go over the agenda.
Today’s webinar is centered around presentations that provide
an overview of the Clean Energy Ministerial and an introduction and informative overview
of the NICE Future initiative.
Before we launch into the presentations, I will provide
a quick introduction of our esteemed panelists and then following their presentations
we will have a question and answer session where the panelists will address questions
submitted by our audience.
First up I would like to introduce our speakers.
First up with have Diane Cameron who will provide an overview of the Clean Energy
Ministerial and an introduction to the NICE Future initiative.
Diane is the director of nuclear energy in the ministry of natural
Following Diane, Kiochiro Maruta will tell you about the current
status of the initiative.
Kiochiro is the deputy director of Japan’s office for international
nuclear agency for natural resource and energy at the ministry of economy, trade and
industry in Japan.
And then following him, we will hear from Sarah Lennon who serves as the associate –
excuse me – the associate deputy assistant secretary for international nuclear energy
policy and cooperation in the United States Department of Energy office of nuclear
Sarah will discuss how you and others can engage in this exciting initiative.
And once – excuse me – the panelists complete
their introductions I’ll take a moment – excuse me.
And now I will take a moment to pass the controls over and welcome Diane to the
So give me one moment to pass those controls over.
>>Diane: Hi everyone.
My name is Diane Cameron.
I’m the director of the nuclear energy division at the department of natural
resources with the federal government of Canada.
It’s my pleasure to be on this webinar this evening and to provide an
introduction or an overview, a little bit about the Clean Energy Ministerial’s framework
and then an introduction to the specific initiative that is the topic of tonight’s webinar that
is the nuclear innovation clean energy future or as we like to call it, the NICE Future
Next slide please.
Once I’ve had a chance to provide an introduction to the NICE Future
initiative, I’ll pass the microphone to my colleague from Japan, Kiochiro Maruta who
will provide a current status of the initiative.
And then over to US Department of Energy’s Sarah Lennon where Sarah will be
able to provide and speak to opportunities for engagement by yourselves and your organizations
that you represent.
Next slide please.
So we’ll start with a little bit about the Clean Energy Ministerial’s
The Clean Energy Ministerial or the CEM, C-E-M as we
like to call it, CEM, is a high level global forum.
The focus is to promote policies and programs that advance clean energy technology
where we can share lessons learned and share best practices and encourage the transition
to a global clean energy economy.
It is an international or a multilateral initiative
with 24-member countries plus the European commission.
Together, the CEM member countries represent an estimated 90 percent of global clean
energy investment and an estimated 75 percent of global carbon dioxide emissions
making this a very important platform for discussions about international clean energy
initiatives and the transition to low carbon future.
The CEM is focused on three global climate and energy policy goals.
One, to improve energy efficiency worldwide.
Two, to enhance clean energy supplies.
And three, to expand clean energy access.
Next slide please.
It is a multilateral initiative but it’s a different kind of initiative and it’s
unique in a number of ways.
For starters, it is distributed and shared leadership.
In other words, under the CEM, there are a number of
initiatives and campaigns, a series of coalitions or collaborations among interesting,
interested and willing members.
So each initiative such as the NICE Future initiative
is driven by member countries that wish to participate.
There’s no expectation that all member countries will participate in every
Each is a collaboration among interested countries.
So it is voluntary and collaborative.
There is no negotiated communicates.
There are no consensus text.
In other words, it’s space for collaboration and for great ideas
to be brought forward by small groups of countries or in some cases large groups of
countries in which to focus on a common area of interest.
It is a member driven initiative.
But the initiatives and the campaigns are not
restricted to member countries only.
Other countries that are not members of CEM can
And participation can be extended to private sector and international
organizations and civil society organizations.
So it’s a very flexible space to advance our
global common interest in transition to low carbon and to a clean future.
Next slide please.
There are annual meetings of ministers.
There have been eight ministerial meetings so far.
These are opportunities for countries, member countries to
meet at the highest levels and share progress and get a sense of priority direction for
continued collaboration in the initiatives and the campaigns.
CEM 9 is the next ministerial meeting.
It will take place in Copenhagen in Denmark on May 24, 2018.
So just next month, actually later this month.
And it will happen on as I mentioned in Copenhagen in Denmark.
But it is collocated with the third mission innovation
ministerial which is a related multilateral initiative on clean energy innovation.
The mission innovation ministerial meeting will
be happening literally across the bridge in Malmo, Sweden.
So we never much look forward to updates from member countries on
But also, this is our opportunity to launch the clean energy NICE Future
initiative in Copenhagen later this month.
Next slide please.
So having set the stage with a little bit of background information
about the overall framework, I’ll now turn to the details of the NICE Future initiative.
Next slide please.
I’ll start by setting out our driving rationale.
Why did Canada, the US and Japan seek to develop an initiative on
the NICE Future, an initiative that focuses on
nuclear energy within the context of this overall clean energy ministerial process.
The rationale is quite straightforward.
Nuclear energy is an important contributor to global
clean energy supply.
It is a low emitting source of energy and it will continue to play a role in meeting
our future clean energy goals.
That’s true domestically in Canada.
It’s true in other countries and it’s true around the world.
Even so, strategic planning for future clean energy systems
doesn’t always include discussions of nuclear energy.
You hear a lot about other innovative areas of clean energy including
energy efficiency, demand side management, variable renewables and yet discussions about
nuclear often take place on the margins or in a different forum.
As a result, there remains a need for a dialogue on the role of nuclear
alongside the other forms of clean energy in an integrated and holistic manner.
Next slide please.
On this slide, we listed a number of existing multilateral for a where
countries get together and discuss nuclear energy and nuclear energy innovation.
Nuclear, the Nuclear Energy Agency for example where
there are 33-member countries.
And here on the slide, we’ve listed the specific
niche that is filled by each one of these fora.
The Nuclear Energy Agency, we speak amongst _
countries about scientific technological and legal bases for safe environmentally sound
and economical uses of nuclear energy.
But when we get together at this table, countries
send their nuclear experts to this table.
And so, we have a very detailed and very thoughtful
But we have discussions amongst nuclear energy specialists at this
The same is generally true at the International Atomic Energy Agency.
Although that is a much broader membership, 169 countries.
The focus is exclusively on nuclear.
Generation IV International Forum, 13 countries plus Euratom.
This is about R&D and next generation.
International Framework For Nuclear Energy Cooperation or as we call
it IFNEC, 34 plus countries.
This was an informal setting where we share lessons learned
and best practices.
But again, amongst nuclear ministries or nuclear leaders within each
And lastly Mission Innovation which is related to CEM, 22 countries
plus the European Union.
But this is focused on research and development.
The point that this slide is trying to make is that there are extensive international
engagements already taking place in the area of nuclear energy.
But then are happening very much amongst nuclear experts.
And with the next slide please, we’d like to take a
moment to reflect on what the CEM opportunity is.
Why should we bring nuclear energy to the Clean Energy Ministerial dialogue?
What is the unique opportunity that is represented by bringing nuclear to this new
table that does not duplicate what we were already doing at the other tables.
And for us, the point is clear.
This is a place for a policy dialogue across energy sub-sectors.
We are bringing nuclear energy to discussions that
extend beyond existing fora to inform clean energy policy makers more broadly.
We’re raising nuclear energy to a ministerial level
discussion and we are encouraging collaboration and knowledge sharing among
interested countries in the role of nuclear integrated energy systems.
Next slide please which elaborates on these points even further.
To say that our objective is to sort of dialogue on the role that nuclear
energy can play in bolstering clean energy innovation, economic growth, energy security
and access and environmental stewardship in support of clean energy goals.
The bottom line here is that we’re elevating nuclear not
only to a ministerial level but we’re bringing nuclear to non-nuclear audiences both from
the perspective of policy makers in the broader sphere of clean energy beyond just
nuclear energy policy makers and developing partnerships with our colleagues who work
on renewable energy and who work on energy efficiency.
Broadening the dialogue and insuring that the full optionality of clean energy options
for the future of the planet is considered in
a realistic way that takes into consideration all of
the relative advantages and challenges associated with each of the options, essentially
recognizing that there is no silver bullet.
There is no perfect option.
Otherwise we would have already all adopted it.
And so, as we face this challenge globally, this clean energy
challenge globally that we are doing so with our policy makers and our highest-level
discussions being fully informed by all of the options across the energy space and that
that will include nuclear energy.
Next slide please.
And so, we have proposed the scope of the NICE Future initiative
would allow both for consideration of full scale nuclear power for baseload electricity,
much of which reflects the importance of generation three or current generation nuclear
power plants that are in operation around the world but also allows for a consideration
of advanced or next generation nuclear technology,
innovative applications for nuclear and coordinated or hybridized nuclear renewable
Here we’re talking about applications that are both for power generation
and non- power generation.
So we might have here a small modular reactor that are
able to provide combined heat and power for heavy industry.
Or we might have a hybridized nuclear renewable system where the
nuclear component dynamically follows the variable renewable in the system to provide
flexible and responsive power for a grid.
Next slide please.
Across those two thematic areas we propose to focus on these four
One, providing technology evaluation and technology briefings, plain language
briefings for clean energy policy makers so that they know what the realm of the possible
is, so that we are challenging their assumptions about nuclear energy that nuclear energy
isn’t just about your grandfather’s nuclear power plant which was providing very
valuable large scale baseload electricity, but making sure that policy makers also know
about the innovations in nuclear energy that are coming down the pipeline.
The second focus area is engagement of policymakers and stakeholders regarding the sole
optionality energy choices for the future.
The third area’s focus is economics and the
Developing our understanding of market structures, power market
structures and financing issues associated with clean energy projects including nuclear
And the fourth area of focus is communications about nuclear energy’s
role in integrated clean energy systems for the future.
Next slide please.
And with that, I’d like to thank you for your attention
and pass the microphone to my esteemed colleague from Japan, Kiochiro Maruta.
>>Kiochiro: Thank you.
My name is Kiochiro Maruta from Japan, Japanese ministry of
economy energy agency.
So I would like to explain about the current status of this
initiative so please next slide.
So the current status of the initiative I would like to explain
today mainly is three pillars.
The first is about engagement based on joining countries.
And the second one is work plan development and the third one is launch event.
So I will explain the details of each one by one.
So move to the next slide please.
So the first are the engagement with countries.
Now currently 13 of 25 CEM member countries have
indicated some interest in the initiative plus four non-CEM members.
Besides the co-leads of US, Japan and Canada these
countries listed here have stated interest to join, UAE, South Africa, Russia, Romania,
So we welcome non-CEM member countries, especially and mainly
like Argentina, Poland and Romania.
Thank you for all.
And so, I don’t know who are here but please to the next slide please.
So I have mentioned about the countries but also these
I would like to invite like the industries or researchers so NICE Future initiative
will work with wide range of both nuclear energy and non-nuclear energy focused
first in technology organization.
So initiative invites member of industry, research
organization and civil society.
For example, like think tanks, environmental organizations
Next slide please.
And then move to the work plan development.
So areas of activity is listed here.
The first, the three categories of activities.
US, Canada and Japan have worked on development including our activities
as well as operating agency and the way of joining the [inaudible].
So three categories based here.
The first one is initiate a cross sectional dialogue among expert and energy
So under this initiative we will share the information, best practices
experiences among the members.
And the second is develop and disseminate the resources
And we plan to develop [inaudible] and other resources for
provide resources for policymakers.
The third is about like build partnerships so outreach and engagement activities.
So we will plan to evens online platform, social
So for using these things we would like to [inaudible] the impact of NICE Future.
And the four cross cutting themes.
These are themes we and our colleagues discussed so
It’s evaluation of current and emerging technology, scenarios for future
energy choices for policymakers, our third is
economics and financial analysis and fourth is communicating nuclear energy’s role in
integrated energy systems.
These themes would be important for how can I say, provides
some type potential, maximized potential of the nuclear with other renewables, other
So move to next slide please.
So then this slide shows like the activities and key
deliverables we plan to have in the first year.
So activities and deliverables is first is about like initiate a cross sectional dialogue.
One is hosting a keystone event or a workshop.
For example, coming this November we will have a site conference in Tokyo.
So we would like to have cyber event with site conference.
And also, we will have meeting next year in Canada.
So we plan to have site event there.
And also launch a webinar series.
For today this one is the first one.
So we would like to have monthly webinar series where we invite specialists
who can talk about like a potential nuclear or
like the technological things which would help our understanding or like our kind of
And second is develop and disseminate resources for policymakers.
So as I mentioned we will produce a synthesis report that’s based
on our kind of webinar series like the site event we will have and including the other
parts of nuclear energy systems or like technologies, seminars or other some kind
of potential innovations.
And also, we provide, we will provide policy assistant through the
Clean Energy Solution Center we call Ask an Expert service.
So you guys can talk with the experts through this service.
And third one build working groups in topic areas, build
partnerships through outreach and engagement.
So we will establish NICE Future council which is a kind of stakeholders’ network.
And also, we will expand existing clean energy
conversation and also as well taking the conversation online.
So next slide please.
And we will launch the event at CEM9 which will be held on May
The time is from 1:30 to 2:30.
So this is – on this slide I just put the potential
agendas we have discussed.
So this is a kind of agenda we discussed with our colleagues.
And the final point I’d like to add is that we would have extended photo session at 1:25
So if you guys have interest in joining and you’d like to be in the photo, please
take note of this schedule.
And also, besides this like event we will have the third parties’
visual exhibition there.
So please next slide please.
So this is my final presentation.
So this is a kind of an image of the integrated system, nuclear and renewables.
So please look up the center yellow boxes.
This is reactors.
And this picture shows like kind of a future image of the
collaboration between nuclear and renewables.
So our kind of initiative is kind of the place where both a potential nuclear and renewables
could cooperate with.
So I believe nuclear and renewable do not compete with
each other but help with each other.
So this could kind of help or kind of a broader potential
for the future.
So thank you for listening to my presentation.
And I would like to ask my colleagues about the rest of the
Thank you for listening.
This is Sarah Lennon from the office of nuclear energy at the US
Department of Energy.
And to finish out our webinar presentation I wanted to talk a little
bit about how organizations, countries, industries can get engaged and also a little bit on
our guiding principles for the initiative.
Next slide please.
So here you can see our structure.
And the beautiful thing about CEM initiatives and our NICE Future initiative is
that its informal.
It’s as Diane mentioned in the beginning we don’t have
structured statements that are premade and issued formally.
People can get engaged as the topics move them, as the topics fit their
personal or organizational interests.
And as we heard in the beginning our newest National Renewable Energy Laboratory or
NREL is currently helping us out to get started.
We see them as an operating agent to provide us much needed and much appreciated
That is not to say that there couldn’t be other operating agents for particular
activities in other countries as the initiative moves forward.
Our guiding principles you can see here.
Again, it’s voluntary.
No one has to join.
No one has to participate in all the activities of the initiative.
And the idea here is that this is sharing information.
We want other countries to join.
We want other organizations to participate.
They can organize, coordinate, lead, join forces with
other organizations and other countries to put on an activity and workshops or provide
So we’re really sharing and broadening the information highway here.
And individual authority.
Every NICE Future participant be it a government agency or a company or some
multilateral organization, whatever participants want to put into it they control those
There’s not an overarching board that will say that money goes towards a
particular activity or anything like that.
And then the final guiding principal there that
you can see is transparency.
And as I mentioned the first goal is voluntary so not
everyone has to participate in each and every activity but we want to make sure that the
information is shared, communicated in a timely fashion and transparent among all NICE
Future initiative participants.
We will be relying on the CEM secretariats initially to share
and broadcast information and then perhaps as working groups get stood up or as
activities start we’ll have other networks as well to share information.
Next slide please.
So we support, encourage, desire engagement with government and
with industry companies, industrial organizations and all different pieces of civil society.
So we’re looking to work with a broader spectrum of people, initiatives or entities
to support our initial set of NICE Future deliverables
which mentioned a couple of slides back.
And one way to do that is to provide information.
And there may be existing information or reports that have not been
discussed or socialized in the nuclear energy realm that would be beneficial.
So that’s one way that you can get engaged or participate
in our events or workshops or future webinars.
And I’ll talk more about that a little bit later.
And other events, if there are other conferences that people know about then we can
share information about that and broaden the conversation as Diane mentioned in the
Delivering engagement events, I think we sort of touched on that.
And then sharing outcomes with your own networks.
As we know sort of the nuclear networks that we are
looking to broaden that conversation.
And so, if an organization or a government representative attends an event or participates
in a workshop and then hopefully that information about what that participant did
can be shared with broader networks as well.
And the key here, the buzz word is cross sectoral as is in the title of our webinar today to
go across policy and technical, across all the spectrum of clean energy to broaden the
Next slide please.
So it’s a little bit different for countries to get involved than industries.
So here for countries, CEM members and non-CEM member countries can join by letting
us know before the CEM9 ministerial or at the launch events.
Our contact information is at the end of the slide deck so we are easily
reachable and we hope to hear from additional countries before May 24th.
And same thing.
Non-CEM member countries can indicate their interest by reaching out to
us by phone, email.
I think we will have a website at some point.
It’s not launched yet but we’re working on it.
So for industry and civil society we invite interested parties to propose or
to give us written proposals on concrete opportunities and how they see a partnership
possibility with this initiative.
And as one might imagine it would have to align with the
objectives and principles of the initiative and really focus or target the key audiences
like clean energy stakeholders, the public obviously.
And as we mentioned the cross sectoral piece is really important so significant weight
will be given to proposals that focus on or that target clean energy stakeholders outside
of our nuclear realm to expand the conversation.
So there is how you can submit a proposal right now and next slide please.
So Kio mentioned a little bit about our NICE Future council as part of our year one
And the idea for this council is to have dialogue at a strategic level
and sort of provide guidance, suggestions, ideas and it will be nongovernmental actors
included to help actors who are in the clean energy system world and potential end users
of this clean energy.
And as you can see in the third bullet there it’s the whole gamut of
who can be involved.
But a key point there in the notes as you can see it is not intended
to say – the council will not say we must all agree or nothing can happen.
That’s not the way this initiative will work.
So here’s just a little bit more detail for what the proposal would want to
include again aligning with the mission of our initiative and focusing on the value added.
What’s not being covered that a particular entity or organization might be able to bring
to the initiative?
And we really do want to make sure that we have a good balance of
representation from all clean energy sectors.
My computer went black there for a moment.
And so, this is, what you see here is the result of our brainstorming over
the past month or couple of months.
These are our ideas and we know that there are a lot
of other good ideas out there so we’d love to
hear from you who are on the phone right now or on the computer with us.
And if there are other folks that you think would be interested
in this we hope that you would share this.
So one of the topics, the topic we’re going to start with I think is this nuclear
renewable hybrid energy system or integrated energy systems.
Because this has been the topic that we’ve heard in various conversations
with different countries that that’s something that’s of great interest to a
lot of people or a lot of countries.
And then you can see just the whole list there.
I don’t need to read that for everybody but looking at
drawing on NEA activities or NEA reports, IEA, the International Energy Agency and
Clear Path and Third Way have a great idea for that third nuclear reimagined.
And we are really excited about these but we know that there are other good topics out
there that others can share with us.
So we are looking for other new great ideas.
And the year one set of deliverables that Kio mentioned,
again that’s from our initial or our draft work plan which is a work in progress.
So that’s just we’re starting just looking at year
See where we get to after that.
But we’re really looking for some new great big
thinking out of the box ideas and we are excited and hopeful.
So just go to the next slide please, the last slide.
We’ll have time for questions if there are any.
So here you can just see our contact information and with that
I will just thank you for your attention, your
And I think turn it back over to Vickie.
Diane, Kio and Sarah, thank you very much for those great
They were very informative and gave a great overview of the initiative and
what’s to come.
And it’s all very exciting so thank you again for those presentations.
Real quickly as we shift to the Q&A session I’d just like to remind our audience and
attendees to please again question, submit your questions using the questions box at
the right-hand side of your screen.
And you can do that at any time.
And again, if you have a question that you would like to direct at
a specific panelist please make a note of that in
So a few questions are coming in pretty rapidly here which is great.
The first question that came in is really around asking about
some clarity around cross sectional.
What is meant by that?
Is the section another technology like wind or solar or is it something
And Kio I think you were speaking to that when the question came in.
So do you mind taking that one?
Or anyone can answer that.
>>Sarah: I’m happy to comment on it and my colleagues can join in.
Cross sectoral I think it has a couple of meanings.
One cross sectoral across the nuclear industry and
renewables so there is that cross sectoral.
But then also looking at technology, policy, nongovernmental, governmental, industry and
so really broadening the conversation to all the different facets that are related to clean
energy and nuclear energy.
So we’re not just talking in our usual networks and our usual
sort of energy scope types.
We’re not looking to do R&D in any particular technology.
So that’s – I’m not sure if that’s what the
questioner was asking about specifically but its really just breaking down the boundaries
is the way I see it.
I hope that helps.
>>Diane: I’ll just echo that.
This is Diane from National Resources Canada.
I’ll just echo that and say that cross sectoral at least
from government of Canada perspective really speaks to what is unit about CEM.
So if you look back through the slides you’ll recall the
list of nuclear fora where we already engage in a series of detailed and valuable
discussions amongst the nuclear sector and nuclear experts.
So what’s unique about CEM is this opportunity to engage across sectors,
Nuclear energy and renewable energy policy makers discussing policy solutions across
energy sub sectors, that’s something that’s of
particular interest to us.
Thank you both for helping to answer that question.
Another question came in around that.
Is there a list available about what constitutes a sector or is it not
really defined into a list?
>>Sarah: We don’t have – this is Sarah.
I don’t think we have a specific list of what
we’re trying to cross between just broadly speaking.
Next question that came in.
Are there – this is more towards the initiative itself.
Are there any guidelines for instructions for submitting
proposals to the NICE Future initiative?
One of the slides or two of the slides talk about the proposals.
I mean we don’t have standard format at this point
but we just have sort of the guidelines of what
we’re looking for, that it aligns with the objectives and principles and it targets the
key audiences and something that, an activity
that includes all the clean energy stakeholders.
But we don’t have a template at this point.
I’m not sure if CEM generally has something like that but we don’t yet.
>>Diane: It’s really a challenge.
It’s a challenge to stakeholder organizations, to folks
who are participating in tonight’s webinar and others to go back to their home
organizations and think about the strategic objectives that we’re trying to advance
by bringing nuclear energy to the Clean Energy
Ministerial process and to clean energy policymakers more broadly and go back to the
basic principles that we set out.
We want to provide plain language briefings that challenge
clean energy policymakers baseline assumptions about what nuclear is and isn’t
and what the future of nuclear innovation might be able to provide.
We want to get to the core of economic modeling and market valuation.
We’re interested in communications products.
We’re interested in stakeholder engagement.
It’s a challenge for organizations to go back and
think about what they might be able to propose, what types of activities or initiatives
might stakeholder organizations be able to design and drive that could contribute to
the overall strategic objective.
And as mentioned before especially if you can bring on board
some non-nuclear stakeholders in a joint initiative.
So if you are a representative from an industry association that is deeply
connected to nuclear or you are with an NGO or a civil society organization, if you bring
colleagues essentially from across the isle to the table to help these strategic objectives.
This is our challenge to and if you have ideas for how you’d like to do that and what you
can contribute we absolutely want to hear from you.
And we have this opportunity, this unique opportunity to do profiles of those
activities at the highest level in one of the
leading international fora on this topic.
And so, we’re launching the initiative this year in
Copenhagen but next year in 2019, Canada will host the clean energy ministerial in May
of 2019 in Vancouver where we will have a great deal of flexibility to give lots of
profiles to the progress that we were able to make under the NICE Future initiative,
And we hope that that will include proposals that
are brought forward, creative proposals that are brought forward from civil society in
So we don’t have preconceived ideas or constrains on what those ideas, on
what those initiatives might look like and what those activities might look like.
It’s a challenge.
So if you’ve got an idea please don’t be shy.
>>Vickie: Thanks so much.
Again, regarding the initiative itself the question is what is the form or the format
of the interface between the initiatives and the
ministers in the ministerial?
>>Diane: I’m happy to take that question as well.
This is Diane again from Natural Resources Canada.
So the ministers at the ministerial will formally launch the initiative
and they will do so on the record during the closed door ministerial session.
But they will also do so in the launch event.
And in the launch event we will have ministers from a
handful of countries, the three lead countries and others.
We hope to have as many as – well, we definitely know we have nine countries.
But hopefully by the time May 24th rolls around we will have 13 or more countries
And so, ministers or heads of delegation from those countries should be
at the launch event.
And civil society members and others whoa re speaking at the event [Inaudible]
and also pose questions to the ministers and to have their interventions
and in the case of Third Ways have it viewed directly by ministers.
I hope that got to the heart of the question.
>>Vickie: Great answer.
That was great.
Thanks for much.
Next question that came in is have any of the non-nuclear
sectors indicated any willingness to engage with the initiative?
>>Diane: That’s an excellent question.
This is Diane again and I’ll ask my colleagues here in the US and Japan if they’d like
a chance as well on the question.
This is the toughest nut to crack so to speak.
We are trying to break new ground here.
As in many policy areas, energy policy is historically
can be siloed.
And it is difficult to launch an inter cross sectoral or interdisciplinary
That is always a difficult challenge.
So we have designed our outreach to our renewables
colleagues and we’ve had some modest uptake.
But there is lots of room to grow on that front for sure.
>>Sarah: Yes, I would say – this is Sarah.
I would say we have not really done that outreach yet.
We have been focusing on just getting the initiative fleshed out.
And we are obviously just starting with our networks
that we know of.
So that’s how we sort of started advertising for this webinar.
But also, information was sent out through the CEM
secretariat to try and broaden the information sharing.
But as of yet we have not – since it hasn’t been launched formally we haven’t
engaged with the other clean, green energy sectors.
>>Kiochiro: Kio from Japan.
For Japan I didn’t, I haven’t yet about like the inviting the
non-nuclear sector people.
But like nuclear people have been focusing on the nuclear and
renewable people in Japan also focusing on renewables, excluding the nuclear.
But I think the future, in the future I think the
nuclear and renewables should be collaborated or
we – as a policy maker we should think about the options and not separated.
So then we kind of talked with specialists outside the
government or through study about this kind of
So not yet but we hope to invite like the person, non-nuclear people as well.
Thanks for all three of you for helping to answer that question.
A few more questions to possibly address in this webinar.
How is nuclear energy considered to be clean?
Sarah, would you like to take that one?
I think this is something that we’ve really been trying to get the word out
in the office of nuclear energy and we have some great new information on our website.
And basically, nuclear energy produces around the clock zero emission energy.
It doesn’t pollute as other fossil, as fossil fuels do.
And in the US for example nuclear generates 60
percent of carbon free electricity in our country.
So in that sense it is clean.
It doesn’t produce mercury, smog, particulates, nitrogen
oxide, sulfur oxide and there’s a whole more, a lot more science behind that.
But I mean that’s the short answer.
It doesn’t pollute.
So I guess that’s the short answer.
Given the time we have I’ll stick with that.
Anyone else have anything to add?
I’d like to add from the perspective of the government of Canada.
The Clean Energy Ministerial for us was born out
of the climate change negotiation and is deeply of inextricably linked to our commitment
when we signed on to the Paris Agreement to curb our emissions and try to
achieve the [inaudible].
So from Canada’s perspective the question of climate change
is core of this question of what we consider to
be clean energy.
And so, the fact that it is a non-emitting source of energy is critical in
our mission to curb emissions.
Canada would not be able to meet our Paris commitments
without nuclear energy.
Right now, I believe the stat is 60 percent, over 60 percent of the electricity in the
province of Ontario and over 30 percent of electricity in the province of New Brunswick
are generated by nuclear which is an average of over 15 percent of the electricity in
Canada is very fortunate to be blessed with hydroelectricity and so upwards of
80 percent of our national electricity grid is decarbonized already.
But we would not be able to maintain those levels without nuclear.
And the province of Ontario is investing $26 billion over the course of ten years to
extend the life of its nuclear power fleet in
order to maintain that nuclear capacity which is absolutely critical for us in terms of
>>Kiochiro: So for Japan like maybe you know before the Fukushima accident we have
more than 30 percent of the nuclear energy.
But after that, all of our reactors shut down.
And gradually some of the reactors restarted but still a low percentage of the nuclear
But we still have 20 to 30 percent of the nuclear resources by 2013.
And of course, that [inaudible] Paris Agreement and other
has a goal.
We need nuclear like them but also, we need some innovation or technological development
including collaboration between nuclear and other kinds of technology such
Thanks so much.
I think we have time for one more question before we
close out the webinar.
So let’s see.
The next question that came in is again around a cross
What do you think the key obstacles are that prevented cross sectoral
integrations for clean energy and how are you addressing those obstacles?
>>Sarah: Sorry, Vickie.
Could you just repeat the first part of that question?
>>Vickie: Oh absolutely.
So what do you believe to be the key obstacles that are
preventing or have prevented cross sectoral integration for clean energy?
I’m assuming they’re speaking to renewables in this question
and how can those obstacles be addressed?
>>Diane: I can kick off the discussion on this and then turn to my colleagues Sarah
From my perspective – again this is Diane.
It’s about – I think the key challenge is actually about our mental models
and the way that we have historically gone about organizing ourselves and organizing
our work and organizing our ideas.
I think we – it’s easy to think along silos or sectoral
We work within specific organizations or ministries or economic sectors and we have
well established networks within our areas of
expertise and we all speak the same language and we all have the same objectives.
And when you start to reach across sectors or
across disciplines and you start to – it is just
simply logistically more challenging.
It’s about it requires a higher degree of creativity.
It requires more effort.
It requires more patience.
It requires more strategic thinking.
So I don’t think that there are any fundamental reasons that should prevent us
from doing this.
But it is a different way of thinking about our future energy challenges.
The objective is to look at the full optionality and the objective to break down
barriers and break down our old mental models and our old ways of thinking about
I think that’s our biggest challenge.
I think we can rise to that challenge but I
think that’s our biggest challenge.
Thanks so much.
Anyone else want to take?
>>Sarah: No, no.
You go ahead.
>>Kiochiro: So for me personally I am responsible for nuclear and the challenge of
logistical I feel is like my personal kind of experience.
I joined like CEM meeting last November.
I mean like there is, CEM is traditionally only focusing on like non-nuclear
clean energy sources.
So I joined a meeting but all members there, sitting there is more
likely to focusing on the renewables.
So there is no kind of familiarity with the nuclear.
And so, this is kind of one simplistic kind of a showcase at not only this government
level but also like companies or researchers, all
part of the peoples or organization mainly focusing on a nuclear only nuclear or only
This is because like for nuclear in the past I mean bigger is better.
So then like the company utilities or like the manufacturing
companies the person who is in charge of nuclear is just focusing on nuclear.
They graduated in nuclear and studying nuclear, doing nuclear, things like that.
But as Diane mentioned we need to block the barrier
because future world we need not only focusing on nuclear or not only renewables.
We need to combine them in order for better electricity
I would just add one – sorry.
One last thought is I think one of the obstacles is just information sharing.
I just mentioned we have these _ types of information and just a lack of understanding.
People think of nuclear in a certain way and that’s one thing that the Department of
Energy Offices of Nuclear Energy is really trying
to change is the way people think about nuclear.
And people might not think about the negatives that they have heard about in the
media and things that have happened in the past.
But that’s not today’s nuclear and I think if we can – I mean the way we overcome
that obstacle is a sharing of information and having nuclear focused people talking
to the hybrid energy super folks at our Idaho National
And we’re doing really good work on creating these new energy systems of the future.
And so, once you start talking about how you can put these together and then you break
down those stereotypes and say oh, they’re smaller reactors and they’re not necessarily
these huge mammoth things with the big smoke stacks that everybody thinks of but
they’re small and they’re safe.
And I think that’s a really key point that we need to press.
And I think once you start getting more information out there, that’s how you break down
those obstacles or the barriers.
Thanks to all of you again for great presentations and also for a very
informative Q&A session.
I’d just like the panelists that we did not have time to answer,
we’ll try to connect you with those attendees offline after the webinar so you have an
opportunity to address any additional questions that came in.
And so, with that before we wrap up I’d just like to provide the panelists
with one last opportunity to offer up any additional closing remarks that you’d like
to make before we close the webinar.
>>Sarah: I would just say that we are really excited about this new way of thinking about
clean energy and I hope that the people that we have talked to at the NEA and Third Way
and Clear Path and other organizations it seems like now is a great time to really start
doing something to make this a reality and I’m just really excited about it and I hope
others are too.
>>Diane: Couldn’t agree more from the Canadian perspective.
>>Vickie: Thanks Diane.
And so again thank you to our panelists.
And I’d also like to extend a very hearty thank you to our attendees
for participating in our webinar today.
We really appreciate your time and your interest and we hope in return that you gained
some valuable insights into the initiative that you’ll take away and take back to your
ministries, your departments, your organizations and your networks.
So with that I’d just like to say to please enjoy.
We wish you a great rest of your day wherever you are and we
hope to see you again at future NICE Future webinars and other events.
And with that, this concludes our webinar.
>>Sarah: Thanks Vickie.
>>Kiochiro: Thank you very much.
>>Vickie: Thank you.