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Ross Brindle: And then, if we can move to the next slide please, thank you, I need to let everybody know that this zoom call is being recorded and maybe posted on the website or used internally.

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Ross Brindle: So if you do not wish to have your voice recorded, please do not speak during the call or disconnect now, if you do not wish to have your image recorded, please turn off your camera or participate only by phone.

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Ross Brindle: If you speak during the call or if you use a video connection, you are presumed to consent to recording and to the use of your voice or image.

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Ross Brindle: And so, with that fun out of the way we can move to the next slide please, as I said, my name is Ross brindle with next site group.

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Ross Brindle: i'll be your facilitator today, working with Melissa clin Barra who will introduce for some opening remarks in the moment.

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Ross Brindle: And a big team behind the scenes at the Department of Energy advanced manufacturing office and partners to organize today's meeting and the workshop series next week.

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Ross Brindle: If we move to the next slide please i'm just going to review some housekeeping items and then we will get started with the content, starting with today's agenda.

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Ross Brindle: So here we are beginning in a moment, Melissa kumbaro will give us some some welcome remarks and sort of the the big picture overview from D and how it's currently thinking about and approaching the energy, water nexus space.

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Ross Brindle: she'll give those remarks and then we'll move into our first of two panel discussions, the first one is focused on to do we efforts in analysis and the water and wastewater space.

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Ross Brindle: And you can read the speakers names they're all of the speakers biographies are posted on the registration website that used to register for the meeting.

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Ross Brindle: and Jordan MAC Nick from national renewable energy laboratory will moderate and manage this first set of panel speakers.

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Ross Brindle: That should take us until about 230 Eastern and we'll take a quick stretch break and then on the next slide after we return from the break.

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Ross Brindle: we'll have our second panel discussion and plenary session, focused on stakeholder stakeholder perspectives from different parts of the water and wastewater sector and understanding their perspectives on research, development and demonstration.

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Ross Brindle: needs, and there we have Mike rinker from Pacific Northwest national lab.

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Ross Brindle: Who will be moderating that panel session, and you can see the speakers listed there, I have to thank all the speakers, a lot of work went into preparing for today's meeting really appreciate all of those efforts.

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Ross Brindle: After the Second panel session we have about 45 minutes for an interactive.

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Ross Brindle: Listening session, where each of you will have the opportunity to provide some input to us on how we spend some of our time next Thursday.

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Ross Brindle: we're looking to crowdsource a topic for us to focus in on with one of our breakout sessions.

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Ross Brindle: And will be using a tool called X leap to do that now, if you read your registration email carefully and many of you did you saw a link to that tool and you joined it and offered some ideas.

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Ross Brindle: i'll ask my colleague to post, the link in the chat Now you can also join that actually platform now.

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Ross Brindle: and respond to the question what topic, have we not covered that you think would be important, and if we move to the next slide please i'll just talk very briefly about how that tool works.

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Ross Brindle: You can join the online discussion session using that URL also posted in the in the chat.

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Ross Brindle: When you do so that will open up a web browser where you'll be asked for your name and your email address and then you'll join the platform, you can see the responses that others have already provided.

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Ross Brindle: You can add your responses with the box at the bottom that says your idea here.

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Ross Brindle: And you can also comment on and discuss the ideas that are already in the tool, so we encourage you throughout today's workshop to take a look at that and offer your views and then towards the end of the day, we'll look at that set of inputs together.

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Ross Brindle: And ultimately do a prioritization exercise, so that we have some sense from you about what topic, you would like us to focus on as part of our conversations.

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Ross Brindle: If you're unable to access that tool, but you still want to provide your thoughts on topics of relevance, you can send me a direct message in the zoom chat and i'll add it for you.

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Ross Brindle: And so, with that housekeeping out of the way on the next slide I think we're transitioning over now don't know one more point of order, just about norms and how we can make the workshop run smoothly.

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Ross Brindle: Unless you're speaking of presenting will ask you to keep your audio and video muted, please.

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Ross Brindle: You are encouraged to use the chat to ask questions throughout the panel discussions that I mentioned our moderators will be looking at the chat and trying to pull questions.

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Ross Brindle: That the audience poses and offer those to the to the panel speaker so please feel free to use that chat in zoom.

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Ross Brindle: actively participate, not just today but next Tuesday and Thursday in our breakout to suck discussion sessions using X sleep, I talked about that.

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Ross Brindle: And do your best to focus on the workshop I know it's so easy to multitask.

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Ross Brindle: it's tough to stay focused, but a lot of work went into preparing for today, I think there's a lot of valuable information to share and so just encourage you to stay as focused, as you can.

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Ross Brindle: And so, with that on the next slide we'll transition over to Melissa kumbaro she's the R amp D consortium acting program manager and the workshop leader she's with the Department of energy's advanced manufacturing office and I turn the floor over to you, Melissa Thank you.

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Melissa Klembara: Great Thank you Ross so welcome everyone i'm really excited about this workshop series ahead of us.

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Melissa Klembara: Because I think it's going to be a great opportunity for you to listen and learn and really inform these programs going forward in the future and the energy, water, space so i'm going to give you if you go to the next slide.

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Melissa Klembara: yeah so i'm going to cover kind of really quickly in the next 25 minutes or so kind of a little bit more insight into the purpose of today's workshop.

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Melissa Klembara: Some background in case you're not as familiar with you, we are the advanced manufacturing office you know why is, do we doing work in energy, water next space, I often get asked that question, and why the advanced manufacturing office and so.

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Melissa Klembara: Learning a little bit about how we're thinking about the energy, water nexus and the role for the Department of Energy and the types of activities that we're currently doing.

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Melissa Klembara: You know, to provide a little bit of insight into where our mission spaces and where the focus of future activities might be.

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Melissa Klembara: And for you to give us feedback on that to throughout the day and over the next the course of the next series to provide some input into your ideas of what type of analysis, research development.

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Melissa Klembara: or deployment activities are needed in this space and then to the end of the presentation will have hopefully.

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Melissa Klembara: A few minutes of time for EPA share napier's here to give us a little bit of an update on rap the water reuse Action Plan.

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Melissa Klembara: which a lot of the activities that we've been working on in the advanced manufacturing office had have nice connections to.

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Melissa Klembara: As well as a unit liana or as Mendoza at the Department of Interior who's been a great partner with us.

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Melissa Klembara: Through things like the national lines for water innovations, the desalination hub so we'll hear a little bit.

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Melissa Klembara: From those two agencies that have really been key great partners as we build out our portfolio do we, we always want to be coordinating collaborating with key agencies like ap and dui and others next slide.

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Melissa Klembara: Okay, so we do, we have more recently made large investments in the space of energy, water.

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Melissa Klembara: And sort of our vision, for you know the water infrastructure, the future is to really, especially given the types of investments that we see coming through the infrastructure bill and potentially the the.

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Melissa Klembara: Reconciliation package coming in, you know we have a huge opportunity ahead of us to think about the way that we can modernize and make our water infrastructure, more sustainable resilient and climate adaptive.

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Melissa Klembara: And you know what are the technologies that we at the Department of Energy can be working on now.

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Melissa Klembara: To help make that vision of a future of a more modern climate adaptive water infrastructure happen.

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Melissa Klembara: And we've we're using this workshop series as an opportunity to.

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Melissa Klembara: for you to learn a little bit about the work that we're doing in this space and to hear from outside non government perspectives, as well as you know, dive in deeply.

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Melissa Klembara: In brainstorming some of these potential activities that we could be doing so, we really are looking forward to you know today I know it's going to be a lot of talking at you and learning.

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Melissa Klembara: But then, in the breakout sessions toward the end the day we want to open it up to your ideas for that kind of crowd source topic.

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Melissa Klembara: But we also want to hear in the breakout sessions to follow next week really your advice on based on you know the work that you're doing and how you think about the energy, water, next to space, what are some opportunities that we should be considering.

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Melissa Klembara: And you know at do we, we always want to be thinking about expanding our stakeholder base.

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Melissa Klembara: And thinking about different acts aspects of energy, water, not only a municipal industrial ag power.

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Melissa Klembara: utility you know, oil and gas extraction but also different kind of communities that these resources are needed, whether it's urban, rural, remote tribal other so we really want to hear from you and that's really the main objective of this workshop series next slide.

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Melissa Klembara: Okay, so today we're going to be, you know really setting the stage here with trying to give you an understanding of our current portfolio of work in the advanced manufacturing office.

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Melissa Klembara: And some kind of listening to some of the partners that were already working with like the national lines for water innovations, the national labs that have been doing, analysis and and kind of.

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Melissa Klembara: reports in this space, so we can learn from the important work that they've already doing, and then a great set of.

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Melissa Klembara: panelists from you know with this outside perspective non government perspective.

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Melissa Klembara: Of what some of those opportunities are and then you know, as I mentioned, will spend next week kind of doing deeper dives and some of these topical areas that we've already laid out.

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Melissa Klembara: But then, you know i'm really trying to get that crowdsource topic going later this afternoon and and you know we really want you to.

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Melissa Klembara: Tell us, you know what we're missing like what what of the four topics we've already breakout sessions we've already kind of put together Is there something that we've really missed, we want to hear from you next slide.

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Melissa Klembara: Oh yeah so just a little animation they're excited.

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Melissa Klembara: Okay, so this is a little bit of a 30,000 foot level of background of the type of work that we're doing in the energy, water next this next slide.

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Melissa Klembara: Okay, so For those of you not familiar with the Department of Energy the advanced manufacturing office sort of lives within the offices of energy efficiency and renewable energy.

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Melissa Klembara: And you know we've had an administration change and so with that there's been an update in the types of priorities that we have, and if you see there's a little bit of a theme going on on the list of era priorities.

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Melissa Klembara: With you know decarbonisation I think most of you might have heard by now, we set some pretty aggressive goals to get hit like net zero carbon.

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Melissa Klembara: By 2050 and you know Uri has a huge role to play there with decarbonizing the grid decarbonizing transportation and in the advanced manufacturing Office like our main kind of bread and butter mission space is decarbonizing the industrial sector.

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Melissa Klembara: And so you know what we do in the advanced manufacturing office is not just develop technologies that could decarbonize you know existing industry but potential for future industries.

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Melissa Klembara: And how can we manufacturer those technologies in the United States and what are those manufacturing platforms, that we need to be investing in.

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Melissa Klembara: For all the applications of clean energy manufacturing whether its energy storage or electric vehicle batteries or membranes for water treatment and so we're pretty broad Program.

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Melissa Klembara: But we're always trying to kind of reduce the energy intensity of existing industries and the manufacturer ability of these goods throughout the full lifecycle and supply chain next slide.

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Melissa Klembara: And so, as we think about kind of ammo and do these mission space it's really about that kind of energy efficiency piece.

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Melissa Klembara: and reducing the energy intensity and for the energy, water nexus you know we're trying to think about we need water to produce energy to extract and produce energy, and we there's a lot of.

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Melissa Klembara: Energy that goes into water to move.

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Melissa Klembara: US and treat it and so we're thinking about and the energy, water, next to space, you see the Sankey diagram on the bottom right there really gets at the complicated nature of everything that water touches on across the various sectors like industry municipalities.

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Melissa Klembara: Agriculture, and you know we've been trying to think about you know what are the types of different technologies.

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Melissa Klembara: that we need to be working on, to reduce the water intensity and and energy intensity of the technologies in these applications across industry next slide.

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Melissa Klembara: Okay, so I said a little bit earlier about kind of our vision, for you know water infrastructure, so I want to just cover maybe a little bit more detail here.

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Melissa Klembara: So I think most of you might already know this, but you know today's water supply in the United States is really based on a linear centralized model, and you know, relying on fresh water sources next slide.

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Melissa Klembara: yeah this one has a lot of animation so you know we're lucky in the United States that we have these freshwater sources and.

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Melissa Klembara: You know that has served a lot of end users needs across municipalities utility industry ag oil and gas.

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Melissa Klembara: And you know this is service well but we're seeing a lot of stress and drought if you're following the news it's it's in it, nearly on a weekly basis, especially this past summer on the west coast or really west of the Mississippi river as experienced a lot of this next slide.

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Melissa Klembara: um and you know, given the you know kind of increased stress drought and cine precipitation patterns.

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Melissa Klembara: we're trying to think of you know how do we improve our infrastructure for the future, to be more climate adaptive to open up new water sources, and so, how do we kind of design and build a 21st century water infrastructure, and you know sorry, could you go back slow.

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Melissa Klembara: build it back better, so how you know, in the types of technologies that we would want to do that.

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Melissa Klembara: How do we integrate, for example, smart manufacturing into our water, you know intelligent water systems more censored water systems.

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Melissa Klembara: How do we integrate renewable energy and energy storage into our energy, water systems and how do we build out an infrastructure that is really adaptive and resilient to extreme weather.

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Melissa Klembara: conditions that we see can really impact communities and their access to water, and so, when the advanced manufacturing Office, if you see there's kind of three areas called out.

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Melissa Klembara: This is more of a simplistic kind of bucketing of the types of work that we do i'll go into it more deeply, but just you know high level.

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Melissa Klembara: You know, we do a lot of work in the advanced manufacturing office in the top right with working through technical partnerships and technical assistance with existing facilities across the various sectors.

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Melissa Klembara: To both look at their energy efficiency but also water efficiency and try to get them to.

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Melissa Klembara: Existing industry to adopt, you know off the shelf technologies that there still might be some perceived risk and So what do we need to do to kind of drive down those remaining risks, even though that.

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Melissa Klembara: Technology is commercially available and have them be a leader in their peer group and adopting this newer technology and reaping the benefits of the water savings or energy savings with those technologies.

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Melissa Klembara: And then the bottom, we see that you know, a mo is also making large investments in the clean water, space specifically we've been trying to develop desalination technologies, through a huge investment that we've made.

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Melissa Klembara: About two years ago, when we started up the national lines for water innovations hub, which will hear from a little bit later on in the agenda.

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Melissa Klembara: and trying to get at you know how do we bring down the the energy.

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Melissa Klembara: intensity of treating non traditional water sources, because they contain more constituents and higher salinity and how can we drive down the energy intensity of those treatment technologies.

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Melissa Klembara: and make those water resources available, more broadly, to supplement our fresh water sources, and then the top left.

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Melissa Klembara: we're thinking about other opportunities for resource recovery and so there's a lot of thermal energy nutrients chemicals critical materials.

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Melissa Klembara: And in water and wastewater and how can we recover tree and recover and reuse water but recover some of those resources to produce co products that make a more circular economy of water and more sustainable water systems next slide.

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Melissa Klembara: And so, you know as we think of these sustainable water supplies across all sectors of our economy today we really want to you know over the.

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Melissa Klembara: series up today and that series over the next week, we really want to think about you know not just municipal water wastewater treatment systems, but also industrial ag oil and gas or other resource extraction and power.

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Melissa Klembara: Opportunities for us to do research in order to make the you know diversify our water supply tree water and wastewater that's used by these various sectors and end users.

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Melissa Klembara: and try to really get a sense of you know how can we drive down that energy intensity of the water we use and potentially recover resources and provide benefits.

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Melissa Klembara: And the other thing you know, to think about that we've been thinking about too is, as we you know, earlier we saw the theme of decarbonisation and earring.

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Melissa Klembara: You know technologies pathways you know what are the potential water implications of some of those pathways Are there things that we need to be addressing now in the type of research that we're doing and the energy, water, next to space.

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Melissa Klembara: To help get ahead of you know what the water intensity apartment capture utilization and storage approaches might be, and so, those are definitely on the table for for brainstorming over the next couple days.

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Melissa Klembara: um and you know, I think, do we have a unique role to play with the technology development piece, but you know, as I mentioned earlier, I think it's really important for us.

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Melissa Klembara: to coordinate and collaborate across the federal government and with other offices within erie because no one agency owns the water, space, which makes it pretty complicated and makes it all the more important to collaborate next slide.

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Melissa Klembara: Okay, so this is a really a kind of high level overview of the type of portfolio that a mo has been building the advanced manufacturing office at the Department of Energy has been building out.

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Melissa Klembara: The way I like to think about this is we're really covering a lot of the technology development pipeline.

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Melissa Klembara: from early stage R amp D, whether that's through the national lines for water innovations DSL hub, which is funded at 110 million dollars over five years.

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Melissa Klembara: they're actually having an alliance meeting tomorrow on the eighth and ninth and so, if you haven't registered for that, yet you should definitely.

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Melissa Klembara: be a participant in that meeting over the next two days but they're doing really great work and building out a portfolio of diesel technology research.

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Melissa Klembara: To hopefully get at some of these non traditional water sources that I talked about earlier, and then we also have applied R amp D through.

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Melissa Klembara: The advanced water resource recovery systems fella that we selected 16 projects from.

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Melissa Klembara: Almost several months ago, almost a year ago, I guess, and those projects are just getting kicked off so i'm really excited about that portfolio looking at.

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Melissa Klembara: The resource recovery through biological thermal chemical hybrid different methods and different ways to produce you know co products and reuse water.

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Melissa Klembara: And we also have what I talked about earlier is a lot of you know, further down the technology development pipeline with.

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Melissa Klembara: Existing commercialized technologies but there might still be some you know risks in adoption or perceived risks and adoption.

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Melissa Klembara: And so, our technical partnerships program has really built out a nice portfolio of ways, through the better plans partners.

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Melissa Klembara: Other sort of kind of volunteer programs or technical assistance programs to get to work with these kind of end users to adopt these technologies and reap some of the benefits of water efficiency and energy efficiency.

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Melissa Klembara: We also do work in.

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Melissa Klembara: strategic analysis which helps direct us to have a little bit of focus and the type of programs that we run and Joe frescoes team and new and Spanish manufacturing Office did a great job on the DSL bandwidth study.

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Melissa Klembara: which helped inform and the energy, water DSL hub that we competed back in 2017 and we also have other programs to help small businesses with svr programs that we've tried to have water theme topics, whether its energy recovery devices for small modular T cell systems or materials memory.

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Melissa Klembara: memory materials and manufacturing topics, and you know we're open for more and that's what this.

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Melissa Klembara: workshop series is about is you know getting your input on R amp D and analysis needs, but also what are ways that we could better you know better mechanisms that we could.

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Melissa Klembara: use to do the research development deployment or analysis or other activities we typically run funding opportunities, but you know there's prizes and other mechanisms and other ways that we connect with.

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Melissa Klembara: We also have the office of text transfer program that does that technology commercialization fun and we have a great energy I corps program to kind of again continue to catalyze you know business ideas or a purchase and we do some of those in the water, space next slide.

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Melissa Klembara: Within the next year or so okay so with that I think my next slide has the collaborations and so next slide I think is sharon's first slide so Sharon, do you want to take over.

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Sharon Nappier - US EPA: Great alright well, thank you, Melissa thanks for the opportunity to speak today, my name is Sharon appear for those that I don't know, and I am the national program leader for what are you at the Environmental Protection Agency.

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Sharon Nappier - US EPA: And i'm excited to briefly talk about some of the federal efforts specifically to advance implementation of water, he says it fits into the infrastructure of the future.

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Sharon Nappier - US EPA: We know that what are you can be implemented at the local level to provide new and more climate resilience sources of potable and non potable water.

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Sharon Nappier - US EPA: To supplement our existing supplies and she reduce the demand on freshwater withdrawals, but we also know communities face various challenges implementing reuse.

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Sharon Nappier - US EPA: including funding limitations public perception, a lack of experience in developing these projects and there's also technology needs which we're here to talk about and there's unclear or inconsistent regulatory requirements.

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Sharon Nappier - US EPA: So, to help address some of these issues that communities face and implementing reuse the water reuse action plan or the rap is we call it.

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Sharon Nappier - US EPA: was launched in February of 2020 to help build that technical, financial and institutional capacity for all communities to pursue what to reuse and almost two years later.

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Sharon Nappier - US EPA: The rap collaborative is now comprised of over 100 organizations across the government and the water sector, many of which are represented among our speakers today.

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Sharon Nappier - US EPA: So we are collectively working to encourage integrated solutions to resilient water resources management and foster collaboration among the wider sector, and I think this workshop is an excellent example of that so next slide please.

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Sharon Nappier - US EPA: And one of the most exciting institutional outcomes so far for EPA is the establishment of a watery his team, which is facilitating implementation of the rap you're also building the technical capacity of reuse and awareness within the Agency and across the federal government.

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Sharon Nappier - US EPA: Our Federal partners have been integral to the rap collaborative thus far our partners for more than 20 agencies are convening now regularly.

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Sharon Nappier - US EPA: These federal collaborations are collectively supporting 46 different actions within the rap and do he.

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Sharon Nappier - US EPA: has been an enthusiastic partner and advanced in various practices and is currently involved in several rap actions.

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Sharon Nappier - US EPA: One of which it sounds like we'll be hearing more about is the National Alliance for water innovation or now he did he sell hub that Melissa mentioned in a presentation next slide please.

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Sharon Nappier - US EPA: And I just want to mention briefly the newly signed by person infrastructure law, which calls for the establishment of a water reuse Interagency Working Group by May 2022 and so.

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Sharon Nappier - US EPA: And the purpose is to develop and coordinate actions tools and resources to advance wineries across the country so.

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Sharon Nappier - US EPA: For our charge we're going to continue to leverage the expertise of the industry, the research community NGOs and the government we're going to continue to assess new opportunities to advance me.

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Melissa Klembara: thanks for that update i'm really excited about you know, working with EPA and a future on the rap I think we've made great progress, and I really appreciate ups input and collaboration on planning this workshop so we're really excited to have you be part of this.

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Jordan Macknick: Thanks Melissa, it is a great opportunity for us to support Delia ammo in those analysis efforts.

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Jordan Macknick: I everyone, I hope, already knows who David is he's a professor at uc Berkeley has done a lot of work, focused on.

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David Sedlak: Thank you so today i've been asked to talk to you about what's been going on within now we and.

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David Sedlak: If you're like me, probably Just about everyone here at the meeting today is interested in realizing some of the vision that Melissa laid out for us we're sharing or even Jordan in.

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David Sedlak: Their opening remarks, and I want to tell you a little about how we have now we have been trying to walk that path to get to what we call pipe parity next slide.

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David Sedlak: Of 17 plus universities and a variety of industrial members so when you talk about now you're really talking about a family that consists of many hundreds of people were focused on this question of how to get to something called pipe parity so next, please.

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Jordan Macknick: Great Thank you David and I think we will move on to the next session, but any questions you have, in addition to what was in the chat already put those in the chat and we'll do a group Q amp a at the end our next.

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A.J. Simon: And some some great thoughts about you know opportunities at the low end of the spectrum and then going to the higher end of the material spectrum and i'll get to that in just a second.

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A.J. Simon: So, my name is AJ Simon i'm at Lawrence livermore my co presenter and the P, I have this project is Jen stokes drought from Lawrence Berkeley but it's not just our two labs are team also includes investigators from enroll northwestern and the University of Illinois.

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A.J. Simon: Energy and systems analyses individually this collaborative project really just got kicked off in October, and so the work that you'll see here is somewhat preliminary.

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A.J. Simon: Specifically suited for the Department of Energy broadly and the events manufacturing office specifically I don't have to tell anyone in this audience that the landscape for water and wastewater.

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A.J. Simon: EPA, one of the one of the high level in Interagency partners is tracking technologies that might address P fast and a whole bunch of other contaminants of emerging concern and that brings me to my next point and flip to the next slide please.

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A.J. Simon: it's not just that there are literally hundreds of unit operations, they could be configured in the thousands of different technology packages, the application space for water innovation is is really complex as well.

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A.J. Simon: types of streams of water that need to be treated and there's many different applications for treated water so water that water that needs treatment that is input into a treatment process ranges from fresh groundwater to municipal wastewater to produce Brian and many others.

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A.J. Simon: The objectives for innovation and water technology are many and intertwined here are eight listed in roughly the order that do we might be interested, so it is the Department of Energy after all so things like recovery of the chemical energy wastewater are of interest, as is.

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A.J. Simon: Energy efficiency of all water treatment processes and increasingly the extent to which water treatment can integrate with energy grids that are transforming towards variable and distributed generation.

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A.J. Simon: In our new era of energy abundance though energy management might not even be the top priority anymore greenhouse gas management is a key constraint as Melissa was saying.

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A.J. Simon: And the greenhouse gas footprint of water and wastewater extends far beyond the interviews to power, these processes into oh and methane emissions from wastewater are a huge target and the biogenic carbon and wastewater is a potential resource for carbon drawdown.

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A.J. Simon: And then beyond that waste management, you know you can interpret that pretty broadly sometimes one person's trashes another person's treasure and things like biosolids insults can sometimes be valid arise.

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A.J. Simon: We need further innovation to meet new wallet water quality standards or to shore up systems that fail to meet the standards that exist we've seen that multiple times over in.

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A.J. Simon: across the country and then there's a long and growing list of contaminants that need to be addressed, whether it's you know arsenic other heavy metals disinfection by products pharmaceuticals nano materials P far so on and so forth.

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A.J. Simon: So now I get to leave you with this tangled mess and turn it over to Jen stokes drought, who is going to tell you how we are working to answer some key questions that identified innovation opportunities across the space, I can flip to the next slide and Jen are you can take it away.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: Thanks so much and acknowledging that complexity that AJ described and that there's very limited data available to make sense of this tangled mess.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: Our team is working with a mo to develop foundational knowledge to help us better understand the potential impact of innovation for water and wastewater treatment technologies.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: What is the current status of treatment technologies today and what technologies are we currently using and what does that mean for energy and greenhouse gas implications.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: AJ and his team are currently in the process of developing a state of technology assessment for water and wastewater technologies.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: For each technology or unit process, we plan to identify the relevant innovation objectives which AJ just described, for us, and their current technical maturity and possible applications where they could be used next slide.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: The treatment technology assessment will be complemented by an effort to characterize existing municipal water and wastewater treatment facilities in the US today, led by Jennifer done at northwestern.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: She and her team will draw on resources from multiple federal agencies and other sources to determine what treatment technologies are in use as best we can, at each site.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: The source waters we talked about already they include seawater brackish groundwater add runoff produce water or wastewater that can be recycled for municipal power and other industrial sectors.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: A geospatial framework and online tool will be developed to organize the data and that will be used by this project, as well as others in our portfolio.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: The tool will be used to estimate and compare the costs and trade offs supplying water from each of these non traditional water sources in different regions of the US and for different purposes.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: This data will help us identify the places where non traditional water sources are most likely to achieve pipe purity and famous assessed.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: So we can target innovation appropriately this tool will also be designed and available to help answer many other water related questions, both within the projects we're doing as well as beyond that next slide.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: Jordan MAC they are moderator from Israel lead an effort to assess the current status of and potential for demand response activities in these sectors.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: Demand response serves to better match the energy consumed to meet the demand for water and wastewater services.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: That matching that to the electricity price which changes with time using things like water storage renewable energy conservation ramping of technologies, etc.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: We want to better understand the extent of barriers to and value of demand response, both to the electricity grid, where much of the past, research is focused, but also to water and wastewater facilities themselves.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: We will provide recommendations that will increase participation of the water sector in demand response.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: and try to make those recommendations relevant even as the electricity grid continues to evolve and the work will be done through stakeholder engagement lit review and modeling next slide.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: So in these first four projects we're going to try to get a handle on that complexity and all of the information around treatment technology facilities and sources.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: As AJ mentioned, and we all know, there's a lot of diversity in these sectors and this map shows only.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: The municipal wastewater treatment in the US, and there are approximate capacity, but it doesn't show all of the facilities in our research scope, so we know this is a huge amount of data and information that we need to collect and consolidate.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: Once we have it, I am going to lead an effort to determine which of the approaches that we've identified will most cost effectively reduce greenhouse gas emissions from water and wastewater system.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: We hope to build a greenhouse gas abatement curves and you can click forward and to illustrate both the relative costs and.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: scale of benefits, similar to the one shown here, which is what I developed several years ago this example helped us contextualize the value of fixing leaky distribution pipes at a particular water utility among other greenhouse gas debating approaches.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: But we expect that the curve developed in this research will be much more extensive and relevant across the US next slide.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: So these projects were developed to complement each other and provide a foundation for future research on water and wastewater treatment innovation.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: So each project individually provides a benefit to the state, we hope that the whole will be greater than the sum of the parts.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: The cumulative benefit will be enhanced by data sharing, through the water dams platform developed initially by now, in which people have talked about already today.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: As well as with the visualization tools developed with the online geospatial tool that was part of this work.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: And these tools will facilitate effective data sharing between our team and our different projects which will be critical to the success of this research, but also with the broader research community, like all of you.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: So next slide and so to wrap up very quickly our team's efforts to address these critical research questions.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: are hoping to consolidate and interpret existing data sources so we better understand cost the cost, energy and greenhouse gas landscape in which new innovations will operate.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: An order to inform future investments, ideally, and others so feel free you can click one more time feel free to contact AJ or, if you have any questions and I will turn it back to Jordan now.

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Jordan Macknick: Thanks Jen thanks Shannon AJ alright, moving on our next presenter is prakash Rao from from Lawrence Berkeley national lab prakash.

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Jordan Macknick: Is you know not only led the development of the energy, water, dissemination bandwidth study but also, I would say is likely, the most knowledgeable person in the country about water use and wastewater use in the manufacturing sector United States crash.

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Prakash Rao: Throwing thanks for that introduction it's very kind of you, hopefully.

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Prakash Rao: I don't know if it's true but we'll see next slide please.

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Prakash Rao: yeah and I want to just take a minute to acknowledge that what i'm going to present today is not.

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Prakash Rao: Not just my work but it's a work it's the work of results of a team that I work on as part of.

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Prakash Rao: We have a strategic analysis team led by Joe Crespo the advanced manufacturing office and the work that.

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Prakash Rao: i'll be showing today was developed by myself as well, along with colleagues at oakridge sujit such nimble curses anacostia Gonzalez and Ralph James McCall.

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Prakash Rao: sarongs taker at argonne national lab and at our own Berkeley lab here, Heidi Fuchs and shoving chessani so wanna acknowledge all their work, which which you'll be seeing as well here next slide please.

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Prakash Rao: So just as Gordon mentioned we're going to talk about manufacturing water use and wastewater and water reuse in the manufacturing sector, so this is probably gonna be little bit of a deeper dive and.

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Prakash Rao: Think it's probably instructed to start at the beginning, where you know manufacturing water flow so here in this little cartoon you can see.

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Prakash Rao: Manufacturers where they're getting the water from how they're using it loosely on site and then what happens afterwards and.

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Prakash Rao: The primarily, this is not intend to be comprehensive, but sort of 8020 rule for manufacturers there's three sources of water for manufacturers resources of new Water there's groundwater and surface waters those two sources are represented by two and three on the little picture there.

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Prakash Rao: And those are largely self supplied meaning they don't pay for it and then there's municipal water, of course, where they purchase water, and that would be one.

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Prakash Rao: And as.

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Prakash Rao: that water is brought into the plan it might be treated.

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Prakash Rao: To meet certain quality requirements for processes and then it's used within the industrial facility.

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Prakash Rao: For various variety of reasons, one of the major uses is cooling.

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Prakash Rao: Whether it's once through cooling or cooling towers, which are recirculating cool cooling systems can be used and processes, could be used for missions abatement could be used for domestic water landscaping there's a variety of uses.

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Prakash Rao: But once it's us it's been disposed of and there's six there and that's the wastewater leaving the plan and you could have a few fates.

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Prakash Rao: You.

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Prakash Rao: Sorry, I guess 11 and 12 are switched it's true this which apologize for that.

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Prakash Rao: So coming out of the wastewater system sorry the industrial facility, you could have wastewater, you will have wastewater and it can either go directly to the municipal wastewater treatment plant.

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Prakash Rao: For off site treatment.

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Prakash Rao: It might be treated him I might go directly back to the River or surface waters from which was brought.

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Prakash Rao: samples or wants to non contact cooling might just go right back to the river, or it might be treated on site and then from there, it could either go.

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Prakash Rao: To municipal plan for further treatment, it could go back to that surface water source to for disposed for safe disposal, or it can be reused and that's number five there and number five I think what we want to really hammer and on today next slide please.

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Prakash Rao: So thinking about manufacturing water, you know the common refrain is water is cheap but that's certainly not the driver, I think, for.

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Prakash Rao: Reducing water used to manufacturing sector and thinking about reason they're serious risks to manufacturing water supplies, as you see, on the top left.

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Prakash Rao: These are risks that we're all facing I think and the manufacturing sector is not immune to them, and if you believe the scientist, you know we're gonna have increasing droughts throughout the US throughout the US, I want to emphasize, not just in the West, however, in the West.

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Prakash Rao: longer droughts and edification throughout the Western us, you also have to tearing water quality do things like climate change, with us like human impacts, whether it's you know ag run off.

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Prakash Rao: or other events and not listed here are things like changing weather patterns, you know or snows melting at different times for those who are relying on snowpack.

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Prakash Rao: or atmospheric rivers are coming at different times so there's timing of when the water is available it's also changing data climate change so waters resources are not going to look.

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Prakash Rao: Tomorrow, like they do today, and as we think about these risks there sometimes categorized or broadly characterize often into sort of physical regulatory and reputational risks.

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Prakash Rao: here on the top right you're seeing a framework put forth by the world resources Institute and their aqueduct tool.

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Prakash Rao: And they actually break physical risk out into to quantity and quality, so the volume and the type of water.

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Prakash Rao: And I want to hammer a hammer and a little bit there if you think about physical risk to water, we did some analysis, where we looked at in the green table there in the bottom left which sectors are drawing the most water from places with physical scarcity issues.

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Prakash Rao: And we use a water supply stress index which high level kind of looks at the anthropogenic water use divided by the natural replenishment rate.

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Prakash Rao: And where that value is that index is greater than one for any particular region that means for driving more water than naturally available, and as you see here there's some sectors in the manufacturing industry some very.

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Prakash Rao: key sectors like primary metals, which is steel aluminum that are drawing a significant portion of their water from sectors from counties that have water scarcity issues or water stress issues.

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Prakash Rao: So that could be affecting manufacturers that could lead to regulate regulatory risk reputational risks or just not having enough water.

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Prakash Rao: And on the bottom right you're seeing quality risks, and this is an analysis we looked at, you know we often think a quality from a contaminant standpoint here we're looking at it from a.

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Prakash Rao: temperature standpoint, because, as we said manufacturers using a lot of water for cooling, here we looked at a handful of plans, where we can find EPA permit data.

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Prakash Rao: And we found that you know one degree see rise and surface water temperatures for cooling could lead to in that top line they're showing something like a 20 25% decrease in cooling capacity at that particular plant we looked at and even at its best day the.

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Prakash Rao: least impact of plant that we looked at what still see a seven 8% decrease in cooling capacity for one degree see increasing river water temperature, which is an unfathomable that's kind of what some the models are predicting, so there are some significant risks and next slide please.

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Prakash Rao: What can we do about it well breeze could be a great solution to this risk or one solution, one arrow in the quiver, so to speak.

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Prakash Rao: provides another water source that can be tailored to the quality requirements.

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Prakash Rao: But I think there's, a challenge that we've kind of been looking at is when is it cost effective and when I say cost effective I don't just mean simple sort of on a balance sheet, I think.

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Prakash Rao: Looking at the right there thinking a little bit more of a comprehensive view of cost kind of going in the Center out.

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Prakash Rao: you're good to go out the price of water, which is what you pay for it, but as we just said a lot of manufacturers don't pay for their waters that price could be zero.

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Prakash Rao: down to the if you pull out a little bit to the true costs, which is gaining more popularity.

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Prakash Rao: or not you're looking at the energy and the chemicals in addition to the water purchase price, you could also be looking at permitting if yourself supplying and maintenance of those water systems on your at your plan.

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Prakash Rao: start to get a little bit of a you know the water starts to have more value, and as you pull out even further out you get internal costs.

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Prakash Rao: Not captured by the true cost so like do you need to switch doctrine water supply, how much does that cost me do I need to retool my factory to accommodate those alternate water supplies.

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Prakash Rao: The pulling even further back indirect opportunity costs if I do lose access to water, what happens to production, and I think for every manufacturing plant out there, where that threshold is varies, but at some point production has lost.

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Prakash Rao: And what are the watershed impacts from from my use of water.

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Prakash Rao: So not saying that this is easy to do, but I think it'd be starting a price and pull away, maybe the true cost at least at first, we can start to get a better understanding of what's the value of my water and then really determine when reuse it's cost effective next slide please.

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Prakash Rao: And this got a little bit.

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Prakash Rao: I apologize for the blurry images up there that's not supposed to be there.

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Prakash Rao: But we'll focus on the fiber class fiberglass vinyl siding plant.

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Prakash Rao: here's some analysis oakridge did they went to three manufacturing plants that top when you can see as an iron steel mill and then fiberglass and vinyl siding plants.

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Prakash Rao: That you could see there and they looked at the true cost of water for us at those factories and, as he could see listen the fiberglass in the vinyl siding plant.

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Prakash Rao: wastewater treatment is already a significant portion of the cost to use water at these plants and the fiberglass planet some 30 plus percent of the vinyl siding plans 130% the iron and steel mill that you can't really see there was about 15% so it's a significant.

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Prakash Rao: wastewater treatment already consistent consider.

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Prakash Rao: A significant contributor to plant water costs so reuse while it may increase the cost of wastewater treatment, if you look at the source water costs and green it could decrease those costs so there's a trade off here that needs to be understood from a plant economics next slide please.

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Prakash Rao: And now to understand sort of when this when this water reuse might be beneficial, we want to try to understand what are the energy requirements for.

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Prakash Rao: Treating water wastewater for reeves and that really gets into we got to know what's in the water, and I wanted to point on the left, we just did a really simple search at EPA permits.

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Prakash Rao: and looked at what's listed on the permit summit most these are contaminants some of them are like results from tests water test, but they can kind of, as you can see, on the Left there's a whole slew of things that you'll find in manufacturing wastewater.

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Prakash Rao: And it's very distinct in many there's many distinct contaminants than municipal water, so the idea here is that what works for the municipal sector.

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Prakash Rao: may work for some manufacturing contaminants but there really needs to be some dedicated effort towards treating manufacturing wastewaters i'm going to speed up a little bit here so next slide.

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Prakash Rao: Next slide please.

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Prakash Rao: And here I want to point out that if we're going to take wastewater and use it for reuse.

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Prakash Rao: there's many applications in the manufacturing sector, the numbers here don't really matter, the point really is.

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Prakash Rao: Each sub sector within the manufacturing industry chemical petroleum primary metals help pay for textiles, etc.

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Prakash Rao: has various ways in which they use water and they have their individual process needs in terms of water quality.

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Prakash Rao: and on top of that, you have cooling systems boiler systems, which also have their water quality, so we don't want to think about manufacturing water and water quality requirements is sort of monolithic.

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Prakash Rao: We want to understand that there's a plethora of sort of water quality needs whether it's from.

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Prakash Rao: ultrapure like a semiconductor to you know totally not potable for some of these, for example, primary metal waters.

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Prakash Rao: And so, this, I think this offers opportunities to tailor treatment to what the water quality needs of the process are so I think it, I think it actually expands the opportunity for reuse when you think about how many different opportunities there might be next slide please.

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Prakash Rao: And I think we could probably skip this one, in the interest of time.

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Prakash Rao: And i'll just wrap up with.

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Prakash Rao: To help on some things that we've identified feature needs analysis needs to help understand one Ben of water wastewater in the manufacturing sector reuse would be beneficial, that we need to get a better understanding the wastewater contaminate content concentrations and their volumes.

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Prakash Rao: Do you have a deeper understanding of the water quality requirements by contaminant concentration for key sub sectors, I will really help us understand the next.

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Prakash Rao: set of bullets what's the energy requirements, and then the cost for that energy, then you can start to think about is the energy worth it, or is the water worth it.

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Prakash Rao: And we're going to have some energy performance benchmarks which kind of talk about how much how much really should it cost it from an energy standpoint to how much does it currently cost.

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Prakash Rao: And I think about improved by product extraction, which has kind of been hit on here.

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Prakash Rao: And i've put here for us back in the process or processes, simply because that eliminates the need to access market you just putting it right back into your production processes you're saying that's another revenue stream you're reducing.

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Prakash Rao: And then some ideas for sort of increasing the uptake a lot of these technologies are out there, but they're not being used of there's real potential just on the floor, right now, that was the previous slide which I skipped over but.

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Prakash Rao: autonomous operational avoid the need for an onsite expert, not every manufacturing plants going to want to hire a wastewater expert on site, so we get autonomous operation that might take some of the costs away and then.

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Prakash Rao: With everything in manufacturing can impact production safety, product quality.

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Prakash Rao: So, want to make sure that's all stays on the in the green.

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Prakash Rao: Next slide I think that's it actually.

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Prakash Rao: Oh, and some conclusions.

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Prakash Rao: industrial use could help with these water supply issues we see eminent We really need to understand the cost trade offs.

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Prakash Rao: With reuse and there's more data analysis develop technology development deployment are all still needed to bring this to bear.

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Prakash Rao: I think that's it for me thank you.

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Jordan Macknick: Great thanks for cash.

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Jordan Macknick: very insightful and so now we were entering I know we got a late start oh that'd be so a few minutes left for the the Q amp a portion and.

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Jordan Macknick: You know so so far, you know we heard in the landscape of the analysis activities from David you know sort of aspirational and.

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Jordan Macknick: Information about our low technology research early stage our.

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Jordan Macknick: Research opportunities from Jen and AJ we heard more about the existing work that's going on that's going to be addressing the existing state of technologies and what's happening at existing facilities.

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Jordan Macknick: And then, with prakash we sort of took a deep dive into the realities on site and some of the more nuances that you face when you're looking at one particular sector and a particular issue like like water reuse, and so I think there's a lot of really interesting things there.

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Jordan Macknick: Maybe you know one question I might post to the group.

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Jordan Macknick: that's that's sort of inspired by you know something that that David had included on one of his slides, which is this idea of you know, early stage versus the higher stage deployment realities that we're facing right now.

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Jordan Macknick: You know, looking at the sweet and the the suite of activities and analysis activities that that were that were talked about today.

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Jordan Macknick: Is there a role for analysis to play and help helping bridge that gap from the these early stage, you know technology material research, all the way up to the deployment issues and.

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Jordan Macknick: If so, you know what do you see where do you see tie ins for this work or where do you see gaps for analysis work that could help, and this could be to any of the panelists.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: happy to take a stab at that to start but i'm prakash probably has brilliant things to say so i'll keep it short, so we can hear from other people.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: In I definitely think that that you know there's a lot of inertia to innovation in in these sectors, I think it's well documented and anytime we can.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: understands the landscape that these innovations are entering and.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: Better target where the innovations can be most effective that's going to set them up to be successful in commercialization and beyond.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: So I definitely think there's a role for analysis there and understanding costs and understanding, you know how they can be integrated in with what already exists.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: Because i'm like a lot of other well some other technologies like these have to really fit into a system, particularly in in the municipal sector, although and others as well.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: um so decisions can't be divorced from what's already there and and then I think we we have like a sense of that, but not a lot of numbers behind that so My hope is that analysis that we are doing and others are doing and for a mobile set us up for that.

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Jordan Macknick: Okay anyone else, want to chime in about that otherwise.

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David Sedlak: David yeah I wanted to add something here Jordan.

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David Sedlak: My experience within renew it where we were focused on the issue of getting technologies, out of the lab and pilot stage to the the practitioners, and I think the way that this bow is imagined to be higher try.

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David Sedlak: Another important piece of this is looking for places where technologies are starting to move out in the lab and where there are small demonstration projects and.

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David Sedlak: And an identified need for improvements as places do analysis, so I think there's a tradition of do we have trying to look at the entire space of technologies.

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David Sedlak: Starting from the laboratory all the way up to implementation, and I think there's a special need in.

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David Sedlak: areas where there are already there's already evidence that that people see a need for technology and they're experimenting with them.

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David Sedlak: And they don't know which one to choose, I think a perfect example that are the building scale treatments that we'll talk about in one of the.

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David Sedlak: The future workshops, where we see lots of people.

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David Sedlak: Identifying the need to reuse water at the building scale, but not being able to choose among the different technology options that I think is a sweet spot for analysis, because it can help people decide on which directions to go and stay as they seek to do pilots and it research.

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Prakash Rao: you're not going to add and kind of building off what gender they were saying I think one of the needs you kind of asked about this data, I think one of the problems that we run into is publicly available data on water use contaminants timing of use it's.

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Prakash Rao: If we just kind of look at the energy world and what we have with the manufacturing energy consumption survey the residential survey their commercial building survey there's a.

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Prakash Rao: Wonderful amount of data that's updated every few years that I think a lot of the analysis do he has benefited from over the years and a lot of others have something like that for water, I think, would really.

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Prakash Rao: move us quite away.

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A.J. Simon: And then, just to to add on that we I think it's been touched on, already that there's going to be a lot of technology that is deployed.

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A.J. Simon: Over the next five years, or a lot of a lot of water infrastructure, water treatment.

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A.J. Simon: wastewater treatment wastewater collection infrastructure that's going to be deployed over the next five years, and beyond.

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A.J. Simon: With the with the infrastructure law bipartisan infrastructure law that is going out trying to get a handle on how much of that is tapping into recent innovation versus how much.

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A.J. Simon: is simply doing things the way we've always done is going to be really important to inform this community as to.

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A.J. Simon: What needs to be done to accelerate these more effective, more efficient potentially more resilience technologies that are being developed into.

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A.J. Simon: The build infrastructure, when the time is right when they are mature enough to actually be deployed so there's a lot of analysis to do there and it has to be done, hand in hand with the practitioners, who are building that infrastructure.

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Jordan Macknick: So there's a lot of there's a lot of really good things there, so I think you know we are hearing there's a big need for data but.

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Jordan Macknick: data is incredibly hard to keep track of as Peter noted on the chat it's not going to be handed to you on a platter it's hard to find it.

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Jordan Macknick: But there's a lot of value once if we can find you know the sort of the the movers you know the early movers on this and better get a sense of what they're doing, and maybe importantly why they're doing it, and maybe why others are not doing it.

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Jordan Macknick: I think can really help um so to me that almost sounds like there could be you know, a need for some better you know almost tracking system, you know more of a real time flexible tracking system of what's being deployed.

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Jordan Macknick: And whatnot as well, as you know, with the associated data that could be that could be accompanying that what do you, what do you think about the feasibility of that or you know how we can maybe better track.

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Jordan Macknick: Where one facility in solve this technology or did not, what are your what are your thoughts about the feasibility of parking on something like that.

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A.J. Simon: So I don't know if that was to me because I I made that made that comment that we ought to be tracking what is deployed over the next five years.

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A.J. Simon: I was just on a in a conversation with a colleague at EPA, who talked about how hard that's going to be to do in the in the wastewater sector.

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A.J. Simon: And I think Jen will back me up on this that it's going to be even harder to do in the in the drinking water sector with that said.

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A.J. Simon: You know the best time to plant a tree is five years ago, the second best time is now so now is the time when folks in this Innovation Community hopefully can reach out to our colleagues.

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A.J. Simon: Both at the federal agencies who are making this happen, as well as state agencies who can actually track it.

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A.J. Simon: To our industrial collaborators, many of whom I see on today's on today's meeting the vendors, who are actually supplying this technology and begin to put into the broader innovation ecosystem, the sensors, for you know how much of this is getting deployed.

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A.J. Simon: it's worth it's worth.

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A.J. Simon: figuring out a way to do that.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: Just thinking from me about like practically how to do it if i'm having a hard time imagining how we can organically create that without an enormous amount of Labor and time.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: To create it and then, once it's created it's almost outdated so that's kind of what i'm struggling with in terms of.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: of how to make this happen without a mandate, and I think it's entirely entirely worthwhile, but we would have to have a lot of buy in from people participating in the industry to help facilitate that, because just having researchers trying to develop it, I think, is is impractical.

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Jennifer Stokes-Draut: So that I think that just makes it a challenge, but not not one that isn't worth cackling.

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Jordan Macknick: Great and Chris about a great comment in the in the chat about a tool wtf has with a tech trends survey, so I definitely encourage folks to to check that out that might be one element to explore that that can complement some of the other ideas that we're talking about.

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Jordan Macknick: As it does seem like that's a major challenge and would be extremely useful alright we've officially hit our our time and so i'll pass this back over to Ross but first thank you to all of our great speakers and thanks to everyone for the great questions that you had.

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Ross Brindle: Ross yeah thanks thanks Jordan thanks David Jen prakash AJ good to see you all, and really appreciate.

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Ross Brindle: The excellent and informative presentation in a tease us up for some some ongoing conversation throughout the rest of the workshop series, thank you.

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Ross Brindle: I think you've earned a break, so what we'll do is take a looks like a be about a seven minute break i'll just try to get us a little back on schedule so we'll start up again at 245 Eastern.

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Ross Brindle: The only requirement during the break is that you get up and move around a little bit because sitting in front of your computer for four hours is not not a healthy thing.

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Ross Brindle: So please do that, while while you're on the break i'll remind you that you can join the discussion, many of you have already done so and offered great suggestions i'll ask my colleague to put the the link again in the chat for you will start up at 245 with our second panel of the afternoon.

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Ross Brindle: Thanks everybody.

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Ross Brindle: David you're still on camera so I can see you're not moving around shame shame.

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David Sedlak: Sorry i'll get up and do some some some some exercise and stretching.

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Ross Brindle: Please do.

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Ross Brindle: Okay welcome back everybody it's 245 here on the east coast and we are scheduled to get started again with our second plenary session of the day, so i'm.

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Ross Brindle: Hope you got to move around got some fresh coffee or some water and you're ready to get out.

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Ross Brindle: This panel session will be moderated by Mike rinker at Pacific Northwest national lab and so i'm going to turn the floor over to Mike and he will.

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Ross Brindle: run this panel just a reminder to our speakers you each have 10 minutes and i'll try i'll ask you to try to stay on that time if you can so we can leave time for the important discussion at the end of the day, so with that Mike the florists here, sir.

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Michael Rinker: I think you're awesome I really appreciate it and good morning to my fellow left coasters and good afternoon to the rest of the country so.

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Michael Rinker: I think we have a really nice lineup of speakers for this afternoon and you're really going to enjoy hearing what they have to say they're each going to bring their own unique perspectives.

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Michael Rinker: To some of these water challenges and water issues, so what i'm going to be doing i'll introduce them one, at a time and.

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Michael Rinker: And I will speak and i'll introduce the next one, etc, I do ask the folks who the participants to go ahead and put questions into the chat i'll be.

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Michael Rinker: Trying to capture those as we go forward and then hopefully we'll have time at the end for some Q amp a you know from the from the audience.

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Michael Rinker: So with that who the our first speaker will be policy whoa she's the director of water resources at the San Francisco public utilities Commission and she's responsible for diversifying their cities local water supply portfolio we.

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Michael Rinker: Have a number of things, including conservation groundwater recycled water on site water recycling and other innovation programs there in San Francisco.

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Michael Rinker: she's going to be talking a little bit about big picture you're probably going to see some things that you heard earlier this morning and show me, you can get into a few more of those details.

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Michael Rinker: But she's going to be discussing the bigger picture and San francisco's decentralized portfolio so Paula I will turn it over to you.

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Paula Kehoe: Great Thank you very much, I oops i'm going to share my screen.

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Michael Rinker: No, you don't need you don't need to share your screen, I think the we have the roster will be running that all you have to do is say next slide.

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Paula Kehoe: Okay easy enough, hopefully, I can handle that well, thank you very much i'm happy to be here next, please.

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Paula Kehoe: So the San Francisco public utilities Commission where municipal public agency and we provide three utility services, water power and sanitation next.

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Paula Kehoe: Unfortunately, we face a number of challenges where drought we're currently in another drought, we also have.

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Paula Kehoe: A challenges with fire aging infrastructure new development stormwater management terms of flooding issues as well as a number of regulatory challenges for our water supplies next.

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Paula Kehoe: And so what we've recognized, is that we really need to change how we do our business, we need to to rethink how we're approaching a water management and that really has come down to a one water approach.

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Paula Kehoe: it's not about water in and water out any longer it's really about this one water circular economy where we're thinking about integrated planning with all our utilities and also thinking about resources in a whole new way next, please.

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Paula Kehoe: And so, how we've really been thinking about that, on the water side is again diversifying our water supply beyond just surface water.

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Paula Kehoe: supplies, we have a number of programs of water conservation program groundwater recycled water on site water reuse.

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Paula Kehoe: we're also studying desalination as well as purified water, which is taking wastewater and treating it so it's comparable to drinking water.

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Paula Kehoe: to blend with our other supplies, and we also have an innovation program next i'm just today, plan to focus really on.

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Paula Kehoe: Our our onsite water recycling program I will mention that we do have a unique approach to recycled water in San Francisco.

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Paula Kehoe: we're both we're focusing on multiple scales, we do have centralized recycled water to provide irrigation for our large parts and golf courses, but we've really.

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Paula Kehoe: been moving forward on on decentralize or onsite water recycling and we're looking at and uses from non political political purposes.

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Paula Kehoe: Of we're focusing on on all of our sectors in San Francisco residential commercial and industrial and we're also developing a number of.

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Paula Kehoe: Chemical and pathogen control strategies to to approach appropriately treat the source water for the appropriate and use and really it's all about a fit for purpose thinking and approach next.

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Paula Kehoe: And so again thinking about onsite water recycling from a building perspective buildings generate a number of resources that traditionally were considered waste, such as rainwater storm water.

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Paula Kehoe: foundation drainage Gray, water and blackwater and we recognize the opportunity if we properly collect and treat these water sources, we can reduce the use of potable water, as well as produce non potable water for for irrigation and toilet flushing next.

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Paula Kehoe: And so we are thinking about this concept, we decided to pioneer onsite water treatment systems.

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Paula Kehoe: in San Francisco in our own headquarters, this is a picture of our headquarters in downtown.

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Paula Kehoe: San Francisco we installed an engineered wetland treatment system looks like a large series of planter boxes outset or a building it's part of a treatment system.

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Paula Kehoe: to capture and treat all the blackwater that we produce in the building we use that to flush toilets, and our urinals and we've been able to reduce our potable water consumption by over 50% next.

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Paula Kehoe: But in order for for us to expand this thinking beyond just the utility and to work in partnership with with the private sector.

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Paula Kehoe: We really wanted to understand some of the regulatory issues related to onsite water treatment systems.

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Paula Kehoe: For example, who should set water quality standards, who issues permits and provides oversight management.

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Paula Kehoe: And what type of ongoing monitoring and reporting should be implemented, and again in order to protect public health.

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Paula Kehoe: At the time we built our headquarters, we also had other buildings asking.

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Paula Kehoe: to install Gray, water treatment systems are black water treatment systems and again we wanted to encourage that because it's certainly offered a water use efficiency strategy for us in to reduce the use of potable water next.

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Paula Kehoe: And so, as a result of the work and thinking at this time in California there there weren't any regulations in place, so we decided to develop our own order our own ordinance.

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Paula Kehoe: Again, to ensure that the proper oversight and management for these decentralized onsite water treatment systems.

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Paula Kehoe: basically involves city for city agencies, the San Francisco P, you see our local department of public health.

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Paula Kehoe: Our local department of building inspection and public works, we all play a unique role in terms of oversight management, and I would say key is our local department of public health.

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Paula Kehoe: Who issues water quality standards reviews engineering reports and ongoing monitoring and reporting of these treatment systems next.

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Paula Kehoe: Our program has evolved over time, so we developed or the ordinance I just mentioned in 2012 focusing on single building, similar to what we did in our own headquarters.

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Paula Kehoe: In 2013 we went ahead and amended that ordinance to allow for district scale systems, in other words, two or more buildings could share water from one treatment system.

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Paula Kehoe: We felt that could be more cost effective for for developments in San Francisco in 2015 and the height of the previous drought, we.

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Paula Kehoe: It became a mandatory requirement for all new development over 250,000 square feet to install on an onsite water treatment system to meet their toilet flushing irrigation uses.

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Paula Kehoe: In with that same thinking about hey there's a lot of opportunity for for treating water on site, we established our own chemical and pathogen control strategy for for breweries.

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Paula Kehoe: As well as encouraging industrial onsite water recycling and in 2021 just a few months ago we amended our ordinance of the lower the threshold to 100,000 square feet for all new developments in San Francisco next.

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Paula Kehoe: And just to provide a quick couple of examples, we have a convention Center downtown San Francisco collecting and trading foundation drainage for toilet flushing as well as a truck fill station to clean the streets of San Francisco you on Plaza is another example of.

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Paula Kehoe: Taking foundation drainage and building a truck fill station on instead of using potable high quality drinking water to clean the streets.

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Paula Kehoe: capturing this alternative water source one at one fremont is a mixed use building and capturing and treating Gray water for toilet flushing in the office buildings, as well as the condominium units on the top third of the building.

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Paula Kehoe: And these are voluntary projects and next slide shows examples of some mandatory projects, a different types of applications for the next slide please.

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Paula Kehoe: mission rock is, it is a is actually an 11 acre parcel multiple buildings will be installing a black water treatment system.

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Paula Kehoe: Also chase Center on the top right is, it is a sports arena with to office buildings capturing and treating Gray, water and condensates rainwater for toilet flushing.

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Paula Kehoe: As well as the building 1550 mission just recently installed a Gray, water treatment system for a for that multi family building next, please.

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Paula Kehoe: And mentioned that the brewery certainly the great opportunity to reduce and use water more efficiently in breweries.

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Paula Kehoe: As a typical brewery can use 19 to 26 liters to produce one liter beer most of that water is used for cleaning process water.

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Paula Kehoe: So, again we established a chemical and pathogen control strategy to allow breweries to capture and treat process water for reuse for cleaning, as well as for source water for beer.

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Paula Kehoe: We recently celebrated a project with anchor brewing in San Francisco they installed a system that's capable of treating 20 million gallons of water, each year, so again a significant opportunity.

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Paula Kehoe: Next, please.

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Paula Kehoe: Industrial onsite water recycling again foundation drain is 30 million gallons of runoff is captured and treated and used an underground steam live, rather than using potable water next.

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Paula Kehoe: I didn't mention we're looking at purified water, we did do a pilot in our building we added additional treatment ultra filtration aro UV.

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Paula Kehoe: To produce water that's comparable to drinking water to really see how the application of onset water recycling to produce drinking water from wastewater next.

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Paula Kehoe: Where we're also recognize that these facilities could be more resource recovery facilities and so we've we have a grant program to allow for wastewater heat recovery units to be installed to reduce some of the energy that's used for these onsite water treatment systems next.

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Paula Kehoe: And I just quickly the last minute and it's talking about we're working on a national level to unique partnership with between public health regulators and utilities across North America, along with us EPA and the army.

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Paula Kehoe: And next please this partnership really is about creating consistent water quality standards from State to State want to promote health risk based standards again encourage oversight management is we've done in San Francisco and provides a forum for peer to peer learning next.

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Paula Kehoe: We have a number of resources that are all available publicly for for anyone that's not participating in our Commission with our health risk based framework regulations guidance manuals, how do you set up a local program next, please.

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Paula Kehoe: And we have some a number of activities are currently underway we're working on an operator certificate Program.

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Paula Kehoe: For onsite water treatment systems we're expanding our health risk based framework to address single family homes.

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Paula Kehoe: All of the work we're doing we're also is part of the water we use Action Plan by EPA to alive plumbing codes and standards such as ICC and I ammo with our health based based approach.

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Paula Kehoe: will be working on how onsite water treatment systems can play a role in equity and climate change issues and also working with the EPA on life is life cycle assessment tool to evaluate environmental economic effects of onsite water treatment systems next, please.

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Paula Kehoe: And this is my last slide I just want to put out a hopefully a plug for some from assistance that what you know really to see these systems scale up even further and and more.

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Paula Kehoe: Throughout the US is really to have more cost effective energy efficient and systems that have a reduced footprint really the goal and our ideal.

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Paula Kehoe: ideal system is a plug and play system similar to just a common appliance that you can install in a building.

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Paula Kehoe: And that really some of these systems can can go beyond producing just non potable water, but more integrated systems.

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Paula Kehoe: That could produce nutrients biosolids energy and potentially drinking water, so thank you very much that's my last slide I look forward to the further discussion, thank you.

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Michael Rinker: wow Thank you Paul, that was a whirlwind in like 10 or 11 minutes and I know that's really hard so but thank you so much that was.

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Michael Rinker: Great information and Peter, thank you for putting into the chat where we can get some more of the information on on the great things that all in her folks in San Francisco are doing so that that was great Thank you so much.

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Michael Rinker: Next up is Alberto and Albert is the senior Vice President and chief strategy digital officer as island a global water technology company that has.

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Michael Rinker: $4.7 billion in annual revenue he's also on the board of the US water alliance, but today, Albert is going to be making some remarks on digitization and the Internet of Things, for smart water and, as you can see he's also going to relate it to climate so Allah Europe.

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Ross Brindle: Well now, you may be double muted where your audio is not coming through.

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Al Cho (he/him): Oh Okay, is that better.

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Ross Brindle: Yes, thank you.

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Al Cho (he/him): Well, I was just saying that that was a tough act to follow you know, Peter I saw your quote from William gibson and.

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Al Cho (he/him): Listening to Paula is always inspiring because you hear all these things that sound like they're from some teacher water utopia.

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Al Cho (he/him): And then I realized that somehow the very hardworking and talented team at SF DC is somehow made that happen in real life, so I really enjoyed that presentation.

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Al Cho (he/him): And I also wanted to thank the organizers for pulling together what's the very important and timely discussion.

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Al Cho (he/him): And i'm going to be talking about a different water feature that maybe hasn't happened just yet, but that I think is well on its way today, so if we go to the next slide my name is Alto.

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Al Cho (he/him): And i'm proud to work along alongside 16,000 other people at a water technology company called dial and.

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Al Cho (he/him): You can keep clicking maybe one more time.

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Al Cho (he/him): And maybe one more time as well, our mission and purpose is to create a world where water is no longer a constraint to human health, economic development and environmental sustainability.

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Al Cho (he/him): and increasingly one of the major water related threats to all of those goals as climate change.

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Al Cho (he/him): Which is why we're the first major water technology company and said that zero commitment here in the US and have been so vocal and supporting set set your web climate efforts.

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Al Cho (he/him): Including the US waterline to the imagination challenge, and so, if we can go to the next page, I want to talk about what that means in the context of today.

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Al Cho (he/him): So, as I was thinking about what to say about smart water I kept coming back to this question of you know why do we and emotion really care right.

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Al Cho (he/him): And that led inevitably to you know thinking a little bit back to the evolution of the discussion around the water, energy, nexus.

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Al Cho (he/him): And how much of our understanding of that has evolved in the last decade, as many other external secular trends have unfolded.

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Al Cho (he/him): You know, over the last couple of years we've seen more and more countries set zero emissions goals from the 2013 2014 2015 timeframes.

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Al Cho (he/him): And we've also seen things like the cost of solar plummeting by 90% in the last decade.

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Al Cho (he/him): And so the longer term outlook for energy inevitably reframes how we think about water and the water, energy, nexus so that the broader frame for this conversation I think is now.

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Al Cho (he/him): about what happens to water, as we transition from a water, energy, nexus where the biggest emphasis has been around managing the consumptive use of water in the energy sector.

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Al Cho (he/him): Along with some other things that you know people have talked about to water climate nexus where the discussion increasingly shift to waters role.

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Al Cho (he/him): In enabling in that zero transition, and of course it's broader role in resilience and adaptation.

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Al Cho (he/him): And so what I want to do today is really focused on some critical elements in that water climate nexus and the role of smart water, in particular in achieving that transition next slide please.

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Al Cho (he/him): So.

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Al Cho (he/him): This slide is probably quite familiar to most of the people on this call.

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Al Cho (he/him): it's really an outlook that shows how that as the level of customer renewable energy has dropped considerably over the course of the last decade.

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Al Cho (he/him): The outlook for global power generation is shifting very significantly as well what's less well understood broadly outside of kind of this audience is the impact of water.

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Al Cho (he/him): what's on the left is some data from Duke university's Nicholas school, which shows that the consumptive use of a megawatt hour of coal power is over two times level of natural gas some estimates, as much as four times.

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Al Cho (he/him): And about 100 times the amount of solar energy, and so, if the discussion in 2015 was how do we ensure that there's enough clean water to support the growth of the energy sector.

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Al Cho (he/him): What I would take two days that the shift is increasingly you know, obviously there's still a concern around the water intensity of hydraulic fracturing and thermal power.

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Al Cho (he/him): But the discussion is increasingly also about how one way to address these challenges to accelerate the transition to less water intensive forms of water of renewable energy, coupled with storage and if we go to the next slide.

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Al Cho (he/him): You know the other key element of this discussion, then shifts to the emissions in the water and wastewater section United States.

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Al Cho (he/him): Which well not large in relative terms, compared to some other industries still represents a unique opportunity to reduce emissions.

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Al Cho (he/him): In what are largely centralized regulated entities that have significant mitigation potential.

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Al Cho (he/him): You know, we recently completed a study that showed that about 50% of the electricity related machine, the water sector can be abated through efficiency measures at zero or negative cost.

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Al Cho (he/him): and increasingly as you start to see the lowest cost of renewable energy drop there's also significant significantly expanded range of possibilities to decarbonize energy consumption within the water utility and water infrastructure itself.

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Al Cho (he/him): And abroad broader sector wide basis organizations like water UK in the United Kingdom have mapped out in a granular pathway.

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Al Cho (he/him): a roadmap to achieve net zero performance in water and wastewater utilities, the chart on the Left reflects one such pathway for the UK water sector.

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Al Cho (he/him): which has collectively set a 2013 zero commitment for water and wastewater utilities in the UK.

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Al Cho (he/him): And that really kind of dive deep into things like shifting to renewable energy, coupled with fleet electrification the skill of anaerobic digestion the management of processing machines and significant energy efficiency investments as well.

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Al Cho (he/him): The chart on the right, it looks closer to home, where do we and the national labs have really done some very good foundational research in this area.

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Al Cho (he/him): To highlight certain parts of how the US could actually get on a net zero pathway leveraging technologies that are reasonably well available today.

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Al Cho (he/him): let's go to the next page, which is all of this have to do with smart water.

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Al Cho (he/him): Well, just as innovations in one kind of silicon have made photovoltaic solar power an order of magnitude cheaper today than they were a decade ago.

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Al Cho (he/him): Continuing increases in processing power and computers have unlocked significant innovation that has fueled the digitization of water infrastructure in the last decade.

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Al Cho (he/him): Innovations in sensors communications and data acquisition cloud computing and machine learning are all beginning to fuse to enable real time optimization of dynamic infrastructure systems.

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Al Cho (he/him): And by sensing key parameters on the inputs and outputs of pretty much any process developing predictive models of system behavior.

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Al Cho (he/him): And optimizing outcomes, subject to critical constraints, we can do some pretty important things from the perspective of sustainability and greenhouse gas mitigation let's go to the next page, please.

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Al Cho (he/him): So in this chart, for example in the wastewater treatment stack we can take real world measurements that the intake and the outfall of a wastewater treatment facility.

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Al Cho (he/him): And optimize the processes that treat wastewater using artificial intelligence, improving process stability, while also cutting energy and emissions by as much as a third.

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Al Cho (he/him): using existing physical infrastructure it without significant new capital investment.

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Al Cho (he/him): And so, this example, which is a plant in Germany basically uses dynamic modeling to create a best efficiency frontier for wastewater treatment.

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Al Cho (he/him): And the impact of course is really auto tuning the treatment process to enable significant improvements in energy consumption, you click again to see a similar structure applied to the drinking water network, please click one more time.

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Al Cho (he/him): where you can see advanced system modeling and simulation to optimize pump operations across an entire water distribution network.

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Al Cho (he/him): That meets the same quality of service requirements using 25% less energy, this is from an example we've deployed in southeast United States.

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Al Cho (he/him): Again, you think physical existing physical assets and infrastructure but laying on a dynamic control layer that leverages data and optimization you can significantly improve the energy productivity of an existing system.

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Al Cho (he/him): let's take the next chart.

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Al Cho (he/him): If I step back a little bit when I think about the research needs associated with the smart decarbonisation of water infrastructure for me it comes down to a couple of key drivers and i'm sure i'm missing things and that's what i'm up to seeing the chat.

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Al Cho (he/him): First off is significantly improving water efficiency, because the less water we extract treating pump less energy, we consumed through the process.

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Al Cho (he/him): That includes driving down both per capita water consumption and network leakage.

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Al Cho (he/him): And the fact is that a lot of the tools and the point solutions that the industry needs to do this already exists, whether in the form of advanced metering infrastructure.

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Al Cho (he/him): Network monitoring or digital twins and if there's a research question here it's less about the individual components of the solution and more about assessing the sustained impact of an integrated program of intervention.

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Al Cho (he/him): Second it's about energy optimization, how do we achieve energy positive water and wastewater infrastructure, both by becoming hyper efficient in our use of energy and by pushing the productivity of things like anaerobic digestion.

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Al Cho (he/him): Now, not all of the solutions, you have to be quote unquote smart water.

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Al Cho (he/him): Some of it is about new business models that leverage sludge and, for example, other feedstocks from outside the wastewater perimeter to drive greater energy production.

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Al Cho (he/him): But it is clear that the kind of system optimization technologies that I described the last page and the very important role to play and the research needs here again or less about kind of innovations and specific units, but around orchestrating it integrated programs interventions.

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Al Cho (he/him): And then third process emissions from methane and nitrous oxide are significant drivers of waters, sex, the water sector scope one initiative.

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Al Cho (he/him): But measuring and optimizing these remains at the early stages in operations, and so, if I were to sum up, where I see some of the biggest opportunities, it would be.

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Al Cho (he/him): You know first to be able to send a much broader range of parameters at an affordable cost in real time or near real time and on the integration of different technology oriented interventions that helped us achieve just continuous improvement in efficiency.

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Al Cho (he/him): Across the system.

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Al Cho (he/him): Can we go to the next slide please.

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Al Cho (he/him): The last comment I would make on this water climate nexus is around waters will an accelerating decarbonisation are broadly.

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Al Cho (he/him): And one topic, I would just flash up they're not going to say a lot about it is hydrogen production.

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Al Cho (he/him): it's a topic that we routinely get asked about with respect to alternative energy features that are associated with the water, energy, kind of nexus and it's one where I would be curious to hear from the broader audience here.

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Al Cho (he/him): A second would be load shifting which is not a new concepts, in fact, it appears in research papers coming out of do we over the last decade.

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Al Cho (he/him): The concept of course is leveraging the fact that municipal wastewater plants in particular are significant.

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Al Cho (he/him): centralized load that may have some dispatch ability characteristics, to help account for grid remittance of renewables.

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Al Cho (he/him): And what i'd argue here is that that's been a really interesting concept for some time now, but it's been in a fairly rudimentary stage because of the lack of the system wide view of how to optimize operations across the.

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Al Cho (he/him): kind of wastewater plant, and that is what's changed with respect to digital twins in particular of infrastructure.

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Al Cho (he/him): And finally what's not on the chart is about waters will and managing the transition of energy infrastructure that's become stranded or will become stranded.

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Al Cho (he/him): In terms of evolutionary deviation from you know coal power, etc, and that's clearly another area where water technology will have an important role to support in this butter energy sector transition.

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Al Cho (he/him): And so let's land on the last page, and I see michaels picture, so I think that means a matter of time.

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Al Cho (he/him): The three key messages that would leave all of you, with our we are moving from a water, energy, nexus to a water climate nexus.

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Al Cho (he/him): That sensing at the base layer and integrated decision support and optimization across the system.

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Al Cho (he/him): will become increasingly foundational infrastructure for the net zero transition in water infrastructure.

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Al Cho (he/him): And that, finally, that water infrastructure does have some other critical enabling roles to play in the broader net zero infrastructure condition so i'll stop there, and look forward to for the Doc thanks.

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Michael Rinker: Great Thank you and yeah I know it's hard it's you did a great job and in such a short amount of time, providing us with information, this was really helpful and this is a good plug, for you know, one of the workshop, so the first one on next Tuesday, which is around some of this digital.

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Michael Rinker: Digital concept so i'm just a plug because i'm leaving that particular workshop breakout anyways let's move on.

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Michael Rinker: So next we have an thebault and as a senior researcher that at the Pacific Institute, which is an NGO and she's focused on advancing solutions to the world's most pressing water challenges.

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Michael Rinker: Some of the topics that she is studying include integrate and water management, water, reuse and spatial analysis and and associated modeling with that and it's going to be providing her perspective.

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Michael Rinker: In a little bit of a different area now we're shifting gears slightly to agricultural wastewater so and take it away.

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Anne Thebo: Great Thank you so much, so i'm really excited to have the opportunity to talk a bit about agricultural water nice day so next slide please.

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Anne Thebo: So just a very quick overview i'm just going to start with some background, then move on to an assessment of the potential for agricultural water reuse and talk a little bit about how this links was some knowledge gaps and barriers to scaling excellent.

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Anne Thebo: um so start I would start by describing agricultural water views and some of the multiple dimensions that define it.

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Anne Thebo: So agriculture water use is pretty interesting because it encompasses such a diverse range of water sources quantities qualities and means of conveyance.

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Anne Thebo: And you know, this is a type of reuse that has a really long history that has been motivated by diverse project drivers and multiple multiple benefits with some of the most successful projects typically engaging a diverse range of stakeholders and beneficiaries next slide.

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Anne Thebo: So I want to take a quick look at current reuse for irrigation so looking at this map, we can see that agricultural water reuse is widespread.

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Anne Thebo: It occurs in 40 to 50 states but it's still constitutes a small portion of total water use and so these observations kind of motivated us to dig a bit deeper into understanding the potential for agriculture water views excellent.

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Anne Thebo: um so the basic question we're looking at here is Where is there an adequate quantity of recycled water of sufficient quality that's located near irrigated croplands with a need for recycled water and next slide.

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Anne Thebo: So we started with kind of really, really basic question of how much effort may be available for reuse as just kind of an upper bound estimate.

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Anne Thebo: um you know, and so we found that there's roughly 33,000 mtd, so this is all the way to our this produced in the US minus what's currently reused and we delve into this a little bit deeper in some of our work, but that's the High Level number next slide please.

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Anne Thebo: However, with agricultural rotary's in particular we recognize that a lot of the potential for reuse is really dependent upon the demand for recycled water and proximity to wastewater treatment claims.

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Anne Thebo: And so to look at this we looked at where they're at you're getting croplands they're located close to.

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Anne Thebo: wastewater treatment plants and we found that there's roughly 44% of your data croplands are located within five miles and 80% within 10 miles so at a high level, you know that's there but there's a lot more to dig into with that.

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Anne Thebo: And next slide please.

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Anne Thebo: So the next step, and this is a more recent assessment and we wanted to dig in and compare the water that's potentially available for us to current withdrawals for irrigation, so in this map.

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Anne Thebo: So everything you see this kind of this green and blue type of colors those are counties where.

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Anne Thebo: You misspell wastewater production is probably on par with or exceeds what are used for irrigation in those counties.

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Anne Thebo: And so, as you'd expect a lot of this concentrated towards on eastern us, but we see a lot of a lot of things going on in the western us as well and it, particularly as water becomes more scarce and unreliable we're seeing more and more supplemental irrigation occurring as well.

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Anne Thebo: Next slide please.

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Anne Thebo: The other really interesting dimension of agricultural water reuse is you know so far i've been talking about the reuse of municipal recycled water.

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Anne Thebo: But when we dig into the data from the usda his farm and ranch irrigation survey, you know we can see that growers are already using a really diverse range of water supplies, and so the bar chart or the pie charts on the map are.

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Anne Thebo: The number of growers that report, using different source different alternative supplies, and so the blue the blue portion that's water from livestock facilities reclaimed industrial water and orange.

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Anne Thebo: And things like that, so we can see that there's you know growers are already using a pretty diverse range of water sources, and I think there's there's a lot of opportunities.

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Anne Thebo: To kind of expand agriculture water reuse with these other alternative supplies, which in many cases, are going to be more abundant than you know municipal level and a lot of these all of these places, and next slide.

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Anne Thebo: And so, with this figure, you know the water quality pieces, the other major dimension of agriculture water use, so what this What this shows is all the counties are in that are in blue are those counties, where the.

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Anne Thebo: The more than 75% of the harvested acreage is non food crops and then the counties that are in red and orange are those counties where.

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Anne Thebo: food crops are the predominant crops produced, and this is really important, when we start thinking about the levels of treatment that are needed.

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Anne Thebo: to support agriculture water reuse so California is titled 20 regulations which are kind of you and used as a model and a lot of different places.

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Anne Thebo: required disinfected tertiary recycled water when there is a contract between the elbow portion of the crop and there was like water.

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Anne Thebo: But all other food crops non food crops require varying levels of secondary treatment and so that's a that's an important thing to kind of keep in mind at least more talking about agricultural water reserves next slide please.

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Anne Thebo: So the next slide shows we want to dig in a bit more to what qualities of water are already being produced by wastewater treatment plants.

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Anne Thebo: And you know if we think back to the last slide so the blue all the blue dots are those facilities that are doing a secondary treatment busters infection.

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Anne Thebo: So for the vast majority of places the water that's already being produced in municipal facilities.

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Anne Thebo: is sufficient for the types of agriculture that are occurring locally, and this is really important to think about when i'm talking about fit for purpose uses and frameworks and things like that.

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Anne Thebo: it's like this.

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Anne Thebo: So i've kind of a lot and I kind of put this slide in here is it kind of general reference, but really the big picture takeaway is that you know there's a lot of unrealized potential for agricultural for use and reuse broadly really.

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Anne Thebo: However, you know what we saw was a lot of opportunities for reuse are in smaller under resourced communities.

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Anne Thebo: And you know as such, you know many of the research needs and knowledge gaps we'll talk about on the next slide really emphasized strategies for kind of overcoming a lot of the barriers to.

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Anne Thebo: Annex like this oh sorry i'm yeah so um so there's a lot in the slides so i'm going to kind of talk through it at a high level.

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Anne Thebo: And so, as we've heard you know water quantity and quality are really perennial issues, and there are a couple key needs around here.

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Anne Thebo: yeah so we know a lot about municipal wastewater, but a lot less about other alternative supplies particular that are especially relevant to agricultural water views.

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Anne Thebo: Like rice, you know girls need better information on water quality, to really meaningfully offset fertilizer use and respond to water quality risks and.

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Anne Thebo: One of the major challenges and agriculture, water, we use is the issue of the issue of timing and storage, so when the water is available relative to.

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Anne Thebo: relative to when growers need it and things like that, so you know things like groundwater recharge during non irrigation seasons there's just a need for understanding more these strategies.

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Anne Thebo: i'm like you know we saw that there's actually already a lot of reuse it's like already occurring and non wider wider scale regions, and we really need to understand.

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Anne Thebo: This context in a more systematic way, so you know what's motivating you know why the reason, these communities and things like that.

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Anne Thebo: And likewise you know um you know, there are a lot of opportunities for expanding water we use and small and under resourced communities, but a lot of times these communities need additional technical managerial and financial support to implement read reviews projects.

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Anne Thebo: You know, we need to really better understand what has worked and not worked, specifically for these communities.

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Anne Thebo: And we've also talked a lot about different types of reuse you know so there's really a need for.

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Anne Thebo: The decision support tools and guidance to really help communities evaluate the trade offs and understand you know high level what types of reuse make the most sense, where.

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Anne Thebo: um you know, energy and resource trade offs are particularly important, but you know there's a lot of means around other Co benefits as well, so you know community and benefits.

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Anne Thebo: ecological benefits, etc, and finally.

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Anne Thebo: The final piece is that you know fit for purpose approaches and I are essential, I mean especially an agricultural water reuse and so the right water for the right purpose.

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Anne Thebo: And you know, there really needs to be a critical evaluation of the quality of recycled water that's available relative to local agricultural needs and know likewise.

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Anne Thebo: there's a need for strategies for incorporating additional sources of water, there are common and agricultural communities and better integration of these.

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Anne Thebo: These approaches with policy and funding and we're starting to see some really great examples of this.

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Anne Thebo: Coming up you know some monitoring one water is a great example of a project that's you know pulling in water from you know from municipal wastewater from.

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Anne Thebo: You know from agricultural operations from stormwater etc and thinking about how do you think about this at the system's level and do that in an integrated way to maximize the benefits you you realize through these through these projects next slide please.

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Anne Thebo: So with that I just want to say thank you and a lot of the things I referenced I come from a couple of wtf.

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Anne Thebo: wtf project reports and that are available and then there'll be a third, one that will be coming out next year, so thank you.

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Michael Rinker: Thank you, and that was great and I really enjoyed the some of the geospatial information that you're sharing with us on some of those math other was really enlightening.

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Michael Rinker: And I think it, it was it was really useful to help kind of eliminate some of the some of the challenges and maybe where some of those opportunities are so that was great and speaking of wr.

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Michael Rinker: yeah you're you're you're you teed up christabel Ferguson really well so next up on our list of speakers is christabel Ferguson, and over to the.

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Michael Rinker: You have to go down several slides I think these were yeah Thank you so christabel Ferguson, well, we get that one teed up Christian Bowe Ferguson, is the chief information officer at the water Research Foundation and.

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Michael Rinker: she's got a lot of history and experience and water and environment and and then environmental industry and she's worked extensively in the utility sector, including consulting government, and also with the water research Australia now not too long ago.

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Michael Rinker: And today christabel is going to be discussing some of her thoughts on the on the municipal and building scale water so crystal it's all yours.

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Christobel Ferguson: Thanks very much Mike and it's it's a real pleasure to be here today, and be part of this very exciting discussion we'll just go straight to the next slide.

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Christobel Ferguson: I think most of the people here today will be familiar with w rf and the kind of work we do we're not for profit research consortium, and we are really focused on delivering knowledge and advancing the science of water for our subscribers.

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Christobel Ferguson: Who are primarily utilities consultancies and then factors in water sector, and you know the key mission for us, and particularly for my role is to help really.

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Christobel Ferguson: activate and accelerate the uptake of innovation, so that are applied research is really getting out to help utilities, and so they can better improve their businesses and improve their service to the communities they serve so next slide.

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Christobel Ferguson: we've already heard today, quite a number of speakers have mentioned the drivers and the challenges that are facing the utility sector climate change deteriorating infrastructure.

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Christobel Ferguson: Customer expectations, I think, are also higher than they've ever been before and population growth and movement and how these things are actually going to impact the utility businesses next slide.

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Christobel Ferguson: And so we're often in conversations with our subscribers about what these challenge areas are and how they are going to play out and impact the water utilities and the water sector.

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Christobel Ferguson: A lot of environmental systems impacts through climate change, but also the way these are going to flow down to impact communities.

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Christobel Ferguson: The effect it has on infrastructure, what kinds of new technologies and what kind of management systems do utilities need to put in place to improve their businesses.

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Christobel Ferguson: These are all underpinned by then how can we economically actually afford to do these things, and to improve services to our customers and still have a sustainable business next slide.

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Christobel Ferguson: So we're really focused on how we can unlock those opportunities for our subscribers and the following slides and just go straight to the next slide.

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Christobel Ferguson: What we've identified here is a list of what we see as a lot of the key real research leads for the water sector at the moment.

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Christobel Ferguson: Some of these have already been mentioned, particularly automation and sensors decarbonisation the move to decentralize and alternative water supplies.

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Christobel Ferguson: d cell reuse but also low energy wastewater treatment low energy nutrient removal using more nature based treatments optimization or processes, whether it's waste water drinking water.

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Christobel Ferguson: resource energy and recovery, including heat capture but also how we can achieve this through strategic partnerships and opportunities and being able to match product need, which was touched on in the last presentation.

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Christobel Ferguson: And also water efficiency, so all of these are really the top priority research needs that are subscribers are talking to us about trying to feel next slide.

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Christobel Ferguson: So i'm going to go through some of these in a little bit more detail, to give you a bit more granularity in terms of automation and sensors.

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Christobel Ferguson: we're seeing that there is a real need for real time management and optimization of processes and in order to be able to do that.

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Christobel Ferguson: You have to have reliable sensors it's the first kind of the first really critical step in terms of being able to collect.

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Christobel Ferguson: Reliable data evaluate processes and how they're actually working before you can try and control that process and optimize that process.

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Christobel Ferguson: So, having a national network of data driven research and technology development and sharing information about sensors that can work and have the required level of sensitivity and reliability.

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Christobel Ferguson: Those are important research agendas that that if we can have that would have a lot of impact next slide.

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Christobel Ferguson: decarbonisation it's seen as not only being a high research priority but also having huge potential impact in terms of the contribution that we can potentially making to improving climate change impacts next slide.

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Christobel Ferguson: And in the decentralized and alternative water supply areas a few of the speakers have mentioned this it's critical that we get water reuse that's fit for purpose there's no point.

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Christobel Ferguson: You know spending additional money or energy on making incredibly high quality water if that's not what you actually need for your manufacturing process and so being able to.

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Christobel Ferguson: produce water in a standard that suitable for the need is going to be critically important moving forward.

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Christobel Ferguson: And there's also an important need to develop small and modular energy, water systems so that we can supply communities.

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Christobel Ferguson: that are more decentralized and not necessarily going to be able to be.

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Christobel Ferguson: service by centralized treatment system, and we also see the importance of particularly premise plumbing, although it was only listed as a kind of medium priority recently.

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Christobel Ferguson: There is potentially high benefit art to making sure that we have an understanding the premise farming systems next slide.

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Christobel Ferguson: In dissemination and reuse of having cost competitive dissemination is seen as not only the highest priority, but the highest potential benefit if we can have.

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Christobel Ferguson: Cost competitive DSL this is going to make it.

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Christobel Ferguson: A really viable option for particularly situations like inland dissemination from brackish water these things will be able to increase the portfolio of options that we have to supply water to a vast array of communities, so I think.

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Christobel Ferguson: Cost competitive DSL and being able to handle the trey songz from de SEL will be critically important moving forward next slide.

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Christobel Ferguson: And in the low energy wastewater treatment area improvements in anaerobic wastewater treatment, have a huge potential to be beneficial for the water sector and so there's a lot of work, focusing on that area next slide.

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Christobel Ferguson: and, similarly, enhancing microbial processes so actually looking at low energy nutrient removal, and you know decreasing the amount of oxygen needed for these biological processes.

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Christobel Ferguson: We need to get microbiologist and engineers working hand in hand.

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Christobel Ferguson: Because this is going to help us to actually optimize nutrient removal processes, and I think there's great potential for you know, a step change in the effectiveness of our nutrient removal processes, you know, in the hopefully in the coming decade next slide.

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Christobel Ferguson: And there's also a lot of interest in nature, based treatments, I think mimicking natural environmental processes offers huge potential to implement.

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Christobel Ferguson: low cost low maintenance treatment processes that will enhance wider uptake across the water sector and, again, increase the variety of treatment options available for different geographic locations next slide.

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Christobel Ferguson: And optimization is as we've heard from L and others, you know there's already a lot of research on the way looking at process optimization across the whole one water sector.

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Christobel Ferguson: But certainly that is going to help to inform common management across industries and jurisdictions and that's going to be essential to combating climate change next slide.

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Christobel Ferguson: In terms of results and energy recovery, we need to find ways to incentivize industries to recover resources and close the loop.

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Christobel Ferguson: there's a lot of heat that's generated in wastewater treatment processes, and if we can harness that heat That in itself would be a huge step forward and should be possible in many of our urban areas.

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Christobel Ferguson: And hydrothermal liquefaction might be a good first step as well to alternate treatment train sold strip and trains, but it's probably not enough and we're probably going to have to have our treatment processes as well.

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Christobel Ferguson: Next slide.

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Christobel Ferguson: And the emphasis I think in this area in terms of results in energy recovery to some extent, also be influenced by what do our communities actually want like what is actually going to work.

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Christobel Ferguson: For the particular situation so whether we're looking at a big city like San Francisco or whether we're in a small rural township the the types of energy recovery and resource use is going to be.

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Christobel Ferguson: determined to some extent by the resources available to that to that Community and against us where the proximity and the demand plays an important part in determining what technologies may be appropriate to be used next slide.

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Christobel Ferguson: And this is where I think there's a huge opportunity and do is living way in a lot of respects in how this can actually be facilitated and accelerated is through strategic partnerships and working and collaborating together so.

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Christobel Ferguson: You know, seeing collaboration across the energy sector, with the water sector.

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Christobel Ferguson: But also we transport and with other infrastructure and particularly urban planning processes, I think there's huge potential to implement strategies and practices that involve integrating the resources across the board, so that the the city planning becomes.

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Christobel Ferguson: A holistic integrated planning process, and I think particularly water, energy and transport or three sectors that there's a great opportunity to see for the collaboration and integration.

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Christobel Ferguson: Particularly in terms of adapting for climate change and preparing an increase in resilience next slide.

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Christobel Ferguson: and water efficiency, again, I think this is going to be increasingly important when we're looking at population growth and movement there's likely to be a lot of changes and these changes.

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Christobel Ferguson: are going to make it difficult for utilities to right size their operations in a timely fashion and so.

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Christobel Ferguson: Not only infrastructure solutions, but also demand management is going to be a necessary strategy for the foreseeable future and utilities, need to be able to know how to go about doing that in a really effective way, so the last slide I think second last slide.

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Christobel Ferguson: These were the highest rank research needs, when we talk about subscribers, these are the topics that come up most frequently as being really high priority.

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Christobel Ferguson: De SEL worries Calvin diversion source separation and energy and process optimization.

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Christobel Ferguson: And then, when we talk to people about what which of those things, do you know which of these things do you think are actually going to have the biggest impact on your operations and could provide the biggest benefit next slide.

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Christobel Ferguson: What comes up again is Calvin diversion hydrothermal liquefaction water reduce.

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Christobel Ferguson: Costs competitive do sell So you can see that people are seeing that these research needs are you do have the potential to really deliver high value to the motor sector and so will be very keen to to engage with folks in discussing how we can take these things forward thanks Mike.

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Michael Rinker: Thank you Kristen bell that was great, and I do apologize if he pointed out in the chat I think I may have called you the chief information officer, the chief innovation officer.

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Christobel Ferguson: that's right.

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Christobel Ferguson: Thank you.

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Michael Rinker: want to make sure everybody knew that that was great information great data that you were providing as well, only can the people like the water resources foundation, be able to provide that kind of stuff so that was really, really helpful.

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Michael Rinker: Thanks Okay, and as we move forward now next we have up on our abundant our speaker is only roller and Zoe is a water equity fellow at the US water alliance us wider lens of course many of you know.

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Michael Rinker: I really enjoy many of their other seminars and webinars they put forward they're always very, very thought.

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Michael Rinker: inspiring and and really make you think a lot, so I really appreciate that the work they're doing, of course, the the US water lines explores connections between water systems and racial economic justice in the US.

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Michael Rinker: And, and so he's been working in this area for quite some time around the around the world and.

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Michael Rinker: Recently, someone one of the past projects was leading a seven city water equity task force with utility and frontline groups and writing a national briefing paper on.

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Michael Rinker: communities living without access to water infrastructure so she's got some real great history here and some real some real street cred in terms of some of these issues so for remarks are going to be obviously focused on water access and social equality and Zoe go for it.

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Zoe Roller: hi Thank you so much for having me and thanks for that introduction.

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Zoe Roller: So i'm going to be talking about the challenges of universal water access and affordability, particularly in rural areas.

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Zoe Roller: And just a bit about the US water lines we're a national nonprofit organization that works to create more sustainable and equitable water systems by building alignment between diverse stakeholders in the sector.

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Zoe Roller: We work with a lot of different groups, water and wastewater utilities government agencies researchers communities philanthropy the private sector.

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Zoe Roller: And we drive breakthroughs on entrenched issues in the water sector things like water shut offs consolidation equity and we do that through convening research and place based work next slide please.

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Zoe Roller: So, before I get into it, I wanted to open it up to the audience when you hear the term equity what comes to mind, and you can feel free to type your response in the chat and if you could please put a one before you respond so we'll know that it's in reference to this question.

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Zoe Roller: So what does equity mean to you.

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Zoe Roller: equal opportunity and access equity means everyone gets equal access fairness, allowing people to have the same opportunities.

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Zoe Roller: The distribution of social, economic and environmental benefits and burdens are not disproportionately shouldered by anyone group, thank you, these are great answers next slide please.

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Zoe Roller: Equality of opportunity so similarly at the alliance, we define equity as just unfair inclusion it's a condition in which everyone has an opportunity to participate in prosper, what does that look like in water.

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Zoe Roller: We all know that water is essential to life that we needed every day to survive for whole our families our economy.

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Zoe Roller: we've just come out or we're actually still in the midst of a crisis that's really showing the importance of water for public health, like never before, and as we're emerging from the pandemic water is going to be a force for equitable recovery.

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Zoe Roller: Next slide please.

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Zoe Roller: So water equity occurs when all communities have access to the water services that they need that are safe, clean and affordable.

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Zoe Roller: And I think for a lot of us in the US, when we think about communities were living with no running water or no sanitation in their home, we might imagine other lower income countries.

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Zoe Roller: And we might think that the US has eradicated those issues a long time ago.

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Zoe Roller: But the fact is, there are millions of people in this country today who are living without running water or with water that's unsafe to drink or too expensive to us.

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Zoe Roller: In 2019 we conducted a national study on access to water and through doing that I visited a number of regions where water access is a challenge, and people are living without it so i'll be sharing some findings and recommendations from that study in this presentation.

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Zoe Roller: Next slide please.

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Zoe Roller: What we found in conducting that research was that there are more than 2 million people in this country who live without either running water tap or a toilet in their home.

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Zoe Roller: And there may be many more who lack adequate sanitation and, as you can imagine, this made cove it a much bigger threat in those communities, because there were barriers to handle washing.

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Zoe Roller: So some of what this looks like on the ground when I visited West Virginia, for the report, which is where this photo was taken.

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Zoe Roller: I went to a town called keystone where people live without running water for days at a time, because their town doesn't have the money to maintain their water system.

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Zoe Roller: We also went to Alabama where I met some people who told me about how their children can't play outside because sewage overflows into their backyard.

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Zoe Roller: We also visited the Navajo nation where we heard from people who have to drive 40 miles to help clean water to their homes.

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Zoe Roller: So these challenges are not affecting all people equally our research also found that raises the most significant factor in whether you have access to complete plumbing.

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Zoe Roller: And the native American households are 19 times more likely than white households to live without plumbing in the home.

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Zoe Roller: And for black and let next households it's twice as likely, so this is a racial justice issue it's also a poverty issue the people that we interviewed in this research we're often living on 10 $20,000 a year for their whole household next slide please.

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Zoe Roller: This is connected to the issue of aging infrastructure, the fact that a lot of the infrastructure in our country was built decades ago and it's starting to reach the end of its useful life and need a lot of maintenance.

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Zoe Roller: And at the same time that there's this big need for investment in our water systems federal funding has been declining pretty dramatically from the 70s, when made up about 60% of total spending on water projects today it's down to 10% next slide please.

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Zoe Roller: And that means that a lot of the the bulk of the funding for water is coming from the local level and that utilities have to raise their rates to pay for those.

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Zoe Roller: investments and maintenance of systems, but for a lot of low income people that creates cost burdens and this is particularly difficult in rural systems where that are serving a population that's majority low income and really can't sustain read increases.

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Zoe Roller: This is also connected to the issue of water shut offs, there are about 3 million people who experienced the utility shut off and an average year and that's a pre coven number.

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Zoe Roller: which can have really serious impact on people's, health and housing stability and, of course, this is just become more urgent in the past year with utility debt climbing into the billions, as a result of the pandemic next slide please.

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Zoe Roller: And then the last component of the water equity challenge is that there are many communities who have running water in their home technically but they're not able to drink it.

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Zoe Roller: In doing the research in California, I met with people who told me that their tap water was so contaminated that it burned their eyes and the showers and their house, like this one in the photo was filled with bottled water.

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Zoe Roller: There about 44 million people who are served by systems with drinking water violations and in rural areas, this can be due to the legacy of extractive industries like contamination from uranium mining in the southwest coal mining and appalachia and oil pipelines and in the West.

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Zoe Roller: Next slide please.

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Zoe Roller: So in thinking about how we got to this point, many of these disparities are related to our country's long history of colonialism segregation and other structural injustices that have prevented communities of color from accessing wealth and opportunity.

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Zoe Roller: When we developed a lot of the water systems in this country over the course of the 20th century, there were communities that were excluded because of discriminatory practices.

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Zoe Roller: When example is a town called zanesville and Ohio where they didn't build water lines to African American neighborhoods.

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Zoe Roller: There have also been violations of tribal water rates throughout us history, which made it harder for tribes to develop infrastructure and contributed to that really shocking statistic about native American households and access.

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Zoe Roller: And then that meant that, when the federal funding for systems declined in the 80s these communities who had been left out historically had a much harder time catching up and building infrastructure and just a harder time accessing capital and taking on loans.

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Zoe Roller: So these are very daunting challenges, but the good news is that this is a very prosperous country with the resources to address these disparities and close the gap.

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Zoe Roller: And i'm going to share just a couple opportunities from our research that I see to address the water access issue next slide please.

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Zoe Roller: So these areas with water access issues generally fall into two categories, they can be places where a centralized infrastructure is feasible but they don't have the money to make it happen.

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Zoe Roller: And then there are places where centralized infrastructure isn't a good option, because they're really geographically remote or their technical barriers.

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Zoe Roller: And in these places people generally have to rely on household level infrastructure, like septic systems and private wells, and if they can't afford to pay for them they're pretty much out of luck.

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Zoe Roller: So we need to think about options that are fall somewhere in between centralized utilities and individual systems, this could look like wastewater systems that serve a cluster of homes water kiosks or trucks water delivery.

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Zoe Roller: And there are a lot of great examples of these there's a group called the Alaska native tribal health consortium, which has developed a decentralized water and sanitation system.

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Zoe Roller: This picture is of a food bank and West Virginia, that is using atmospheric water generation to deliver water to people in remote areas, so there are many opportunities out there next slide please.

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Zoe Roller: and related to this is that we need to be thinking both short term and long term.

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Zoe Roller: Water access is a crisis right now communities are at risk of drinking unsafe water being exposed to raw sewage every day, so we need to treat it like an emergency.

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Zoe Roller: and provide immediate emergency responses things like delivering bottled water to meet people's needs right now, but at the same time, we need to be thinking about permanent solutions and not letting those emergency responses become permanent.

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Zoe Roller: Next slide please.

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Zoe Roller: So a lot of the approaches that were talked about today, like water we use smart water resource recovery all have enormous potential to be helpful in rural areas with water access challenges.

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Zoe Roller: But these are the places that have the hardest time accessing funding and implementing these kinds of solutions because they're very low capacity.

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Zoe Roller: they're less able to take on risk and invest in untested approaches so here there's an opportunity for other entities like government agencies and ta providers to support on piloting.

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Al Cho (he/him): and helping implement these.

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Zoe Roller: kinds of systems.

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Zoe Roller: Next slide please.

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Zoe Roller: And crystal made this point as well, but there is a lot of potential for collaboration and multiple benefits because water is so connected to other issues like workforce development, public health, food security, affordable housing.

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Zoe Roller: and many others so collaboration here will strengthen any solutions that are developed next slide please.

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Zoe Roller: and similarly just creating more alignment and communication between the different stakeholders that are working on this issue so between different federal agencies.

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Zoe Roller: Technical Assistance providers and local systems will make sure that the complexity of this challenge is able to be addressed.

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Zoe Roller: And maybe most importantly, the strategies that we work on are only successful if they work for communities themselves so this collaboration needs to include people from the affected communities in decision making and implementation holes.

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Zoe Roller: And can go to the next slide which is my last one.

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Zoe Roller: So thank you, I am excited to talk more and discuss the possibilities.

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Michael Rinker: wow Thank you so that was so compelling I really appreciate, you know the last 10 minutes and what you were talking about that was really, really.

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Michael Rinker: I think enlightening for a lot of people but it's it's it's the truth and and I really appreciate you.

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Michael Rinker: Bringing that to light for this, I think this is a really important topic and I obviously it's a very important topic for the administration, right now, as well, so thank you so much for that that was very helpful.

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Michael Rinker: So, last but not least, we have one more speaker and then we're going to open up for questions I do want to remind people to go ahead and put your questions into the chat i've been capturing.

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Michael Rinker: Some of them as we've gone along they continue to do so, and then we'll have will we will have a Q amp a session, even though we're running a little bit a little bit behind, but not too bad way.

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Michael Rinker: So so last we have john willis, who is a Vice President with Brown and Caldwell and water environment and.

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Michael Rinker: he's also with the water environment federation wf he's been a fellow there for over 31 years.

994
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Michael Rinker: Attacking the waste, energy and under recovered resources within the wastewater space he passionately explore saws and elevates poorly understood opportunities within the sector and today.

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Michael Rinker: john's gonna wrap this up with his perspective, both on the big picture and associated with industrial water so john taken away.

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John Willis: and actually i'm talking about.

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John Willis: domestic water like so.

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John Willis: let's go to the next one night i'm going to say christabel went through a lot of different things.

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John Willis: But works budget is pennies compared to what they need to do this and.

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John Willis: I think do he is a real opportunity for us to to move it all, but I think the important thing for everybody to understand is that generally domestic of centralized wastewater treatment.

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John Willis: has one core mission, and that is to treat sewage and turn clean water to the environment as one of the few regulated industries in the US and the clean water act.

1002
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John Willis: Putting turning sewage into stuff we can put back to the environment is mission next slide.

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John Willis: So there are a lot of other things you can do.

1004
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John Willis: And while compared to decentralize treatment centralized treatment does use oodles of electricity, so we use a lot of power, we also produce a lot of underreported scope one greenhouse gases, we heard one of the earlier sessions about greenhouse gas analysis over the next slide.

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John Willis: Now there are lots of proven technologies that we could use to do things like we stopped depleted soil carbon require the solids.

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John Willis: We can recover phosphorus and nitrogen for to displace chemical based fertilizers, you can produce renewable energy, and you can beneficially recover multiple resources that can be used in our in our communities.

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John Willis: So, while all these things are proven, there are very few water resource recovers disorders, that are actually doing.

1008
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John Willis: Now this is one of those glass half full half empty questions because all the aren't a whole lot of facilities that are leveraging these things that they could do.

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John Willis: They tend to be the larger facilities, it tends to be a much higher percentage that is represented by the number of percentage of the flow, then, is represented by the few utilities that are doing it next slide.

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John Willis: So what you got to know go back home before So the important thing to realize, is that all this stuff down below which is using less power benefit.

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John Willis: In covering resources are not the core mission and i've talked to a number of folks who've said, even like biosolids that sludge, I can landfill it it doesn't help me.

1012
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John Willis: Clean the water, so I think we need to break out of all of them take a look at what could we do in a world where carbon was.

1013
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John Willis: Greenhouse Gas spray it's like.

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John Willis: So I think there's a bunch of stuff on the greenhouse gases that needs to be researched and I don't think that God is the place to do the research, but there are lots of things.

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John Willis: I did my PhD sewer methane, which does exist, and the work that I do with Carter chandran we think it's over 40% of centralized sewer scope one emissions so it's probably a bigger deal than something that we currently don't account for at all unless.

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John Willis: they're a bunch of other things that are poorly documented documented Jason renderings credit was just awarded the all Bush award but it's a small amount of money it's $100,000 to do something with which is great, but it's tough to make that go very far.

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John Willis: Next slide.

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John Willis: So there is a fit on this and I didn't do reality emphasize okay if you're doing something or you're doing something to bet that.

1019
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John Willis: profile what's emphasize the carbon impacts in particular if it's got an issue switch figure out what they are.

1020
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John Willis: Both the baseline and the non baseline sandwich views energy optimization research on all the fields we're talking about to collect better data, because we haven't been.

1021
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John Willis: haven't been collecting anywhere near as much data as rock to the Dr climate eyes and not sure there were so many mission sources that we don't really know what comes.

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John Willis: Next.

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John Willis: So this is just a slide talking about scale up and there has been more emphasis on some research for us it's trying to implement.

1024
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John Willis: And well as any attention to the.

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John Willis: First slide in the first session.

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John Willis: it's got to be proven from research.

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John Willis: facilities to try something new, you want to see it done five or six other blocks so looking at those prior to our cells are tough to do so, how can we answer this.

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John Willis: Universities and deal with Apps and let's go to the next one.

1029
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John Willis: pivots on public utilities public utilities are the ones who, if they wanted to you know relevant environment at scale, they have to say i'm going to try that.

1030
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John Willis: And yet if there's different spinner risk compliance that's a tough lift for anybody, so we need to take a look and recognize the public utilities need to take a risk and then it's tied in with another number by the.

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John Willis: Next slide.

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John Willis: So the two or more consultants do have a role to play, we don't have to there have been a lot of utility read on search that's been very successful, but a lot of time consultants, are able to pull in multiple utilities to this place is very similar.

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John Willis: To try and create enough open emphasis to get something done.

1034
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John Willis: Next slide.

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John Willis: In the truth is, do we funding which is bigger than almost anything else that we get our hands on.

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John Willis: helps to put a big shoulder behind this kind of research, and I think last year is wastewater for from the mo demonstrated this much I don't know how many concept papers and full proposals you got but my impression was it was an overwhelming number.

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John Willis: next one.

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John Willis: So this next piece is my pitch on some of the things that I think have reinvented or revision wastewater utility or industry could do in a carbon negative carbon negative future.

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John Willis: So we know about power on the Left we've got and there are a bunch of wastewater plants that don't have primary treatment don't have anaerobic digestion but looking at the one on the left, those use the most power.

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John Willis: The state of the art right now is primary treatment does activated sludge to eat whatever when this they need and the anaerobic digesters to get more Bible guess.

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John Willis: If you're digesting primary storage voice activated sledge and get about twice as much bio gas if we can make mainstream anaerobic work.

1042
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John Willis: When you get four times as much bio gas we can produce less lodge and we can use less power to treat the energy so even a plant with low nitrogen to be energy positive.

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John Willis: From this perspective, if they can make a water treatment work, but it is not proven so it's a long way from time to time.

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John Willis: Experts like.

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John Willis: So we have done a lot of work over the last 10 to 12 years on, enter anaerobic number about reactors.

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John Willis: The deal with doing aerobic treatment of sewage is that you've got to get the biomass up high enough that at the low temperatures, with a low carbon that you can convert it both from hydrolysis as well as doing an advantage genesis and converting it.

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John Willis: To borrow gas, but in the obvious thing to do is, if you have to get that file mass let's put a membrane in because that's the way we have to get 20,000 milligrams per liter.

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John Willis: down to almost nothing, say, less than 50 going downstream, but I strongly encourage the only to take a look at non membrane options.

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John Willis: been putting more money into trying to avoid fat, but whether it's fixed film effort or there are a number of other ways we can approach this would be interesting to see.

1050
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John Willis: The other thing that's been a challenge is trying to figure out if we bring all of the sewage, you said 100 million gallons per day of treatment.

1051
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John Willis: How you get them resolved nothing that saturated coming out of a enroll the treatment process out of the flow.

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John Willis: And we're actually piloting something down at my end date for the next slide that we think can solve this what it essentially and we're doing it on the head type coming ahead works so let's get into by what do we do about Su a method.

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John Willis: And it's a prime siphon so we would intercept the force made on the left with a siphon on the right.

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John Willis: And we can hold and infested we were able to get to 93% of the complete vacuum using a progressive cavity punk it's just water lubricated.

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John Willis: That means at the point one at the top there they define that 7.07 atmospheres of pressure water can't hold gassing war, so it all it doesn't all boil off, but almost all the does so, the next slide.

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John Willis: To challenge with this gas is it turns out that all the dissolve carbon dioxide comes out of solution we do get the methane, we end up with something that 65% carbon dioxide.

1057
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John Willis: And at 10 to 15% mapping it's tough for, and there are other gases that just come out relative to their central the central the saturation liquid at atmospheric conditions so that's.

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John Willis: In my mind the sense ends up being an opportunity to talk about deep privatization this screen could be fairly easily sequestered or low grade as a biogenic CO2 sequestration.

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John Willis: And I think we need to start looking at that there's a lot of carbon coming to our wastewater plants can we capture the exhaust can do things like that, and can we read sequester that carbon as a way to get beyond taking we destroys fossil fuel dependency that's like.

1060
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John Willis: So another thing that I think we ought to do if power is renewable is a reality, looking at distributing.

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John Willis: And this shows a plant that vcs Denmark were there.

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John Willis: and

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John Willis: I was talking earlier, we got to look to Europe and see what we ought to do, because they've done it.

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John Willis: So a lot of a lot of I went to Copenhagen in the mid 90s, and they were installing a 54 inch line with 12 inches of insulation around I couldn't figure out what was what was recovered heat from the power plants going to.

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John Willis: district heating, now the wastewater plants are making that up when they go offshore wind let's go to the next few slides just quick Oh, and my question on this is, does the wastewater utility want to run that infrastructure or do you want the natural gas and.

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John Willis: utility to run the script it somebody else will work with to figure out when they're not using natural gas like we're doing for.

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John Willis: these next few slides just round trips and I did this on Google earth I did talk to Jane but the point is, is that you can get.

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John Willis: To a bunch of high rises the sinful plants that could be displaced with hot water and wastewater plants, this shows newtown free my daughter lives phones to the UN.

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John Willis: I took a shower on the 28th floor of a like a 15 plus story building she gets five gallons a minute of water, out of the shower head.

1070
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John Willis: I get one and a half at home and every one of those gallons gets lifted to the 15th floor.

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John Willis: It comes down it also gets heated if it's coming out of the shower because you're not taking a cold shower great shower but golly, it is a lot of water in on an energy when you look at what that balances, so I think they're wiper level and they're macro level things that we can look.

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John Willis: Through.

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John Willis: skip there are a few other pictures here of other place, you can do at New York City and other one Miami and.

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John Willis: follow this is San Francisco this is from southeast of downtown anyway.

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John Willis: Do we can nudge us to do the right thing and you say hey here's a track that ought to be investigated and there's good money there you'll come up with 20 ideas and get.

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John Willis: get to have to shortlist so i'm excited about that, I think the anaerobic sewage treatment carbon sequestration and district heating or things we've got to be turn our attention to with that all shut down thanks Mike.

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Michael Rinker: A Thank you john and I think you deserve a special set of applause from everybody I don't know if anybody knows this, I think he had told us earlier he's doing this from the sky club and the Atlanta airport so great job of.

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Michael Rinker: Doing that so and and I guess maybe you either kicked out to people near you but it wasn't he wasn't very disruptive so.

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Michael Rinker: Great job, and thank you so much that was it was a great talk on on some opportunities here so that was really helpful.

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Michael Rinker: So so we're at the point with That was our six or six presentations and so one of the things we wanted to do for about the next 15 minutes.

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Michael Rinker: Is is have a question and answer period now, I had the wonderful and unique opportunity to be able to see all the slide presentations in advance, and so I get to first cut at.

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Michael Rinker: asking a question or two, and again I would like to ask the participants, please put in additional questions into the chat like I said i've captured some so far.

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Michael Rinker: And then i'll try to capture more if you guys have questions either to one or multiple of our.

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Michael Rinker: Our speakers today so so and, again, I also want to really thank our speakers, you know that was really fantastic you guys all did a wonderful job of.

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Michael Rinker: Getting the message out quickly, I know that's really tough, we could have gone on for hours in any one of your presentations.

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Michael Rinker: And it would have been really compelling for the whole time but you know I really appreciate the effort you guys did to try to get a message in and in your 10 to 12 minute.

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Michael Rinker: time frame, so thank you so much one of the things that, as I went through the presentations and, as I heard them today.

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Michael Rinker: You know I and we even heard some from this morning, or from the earlier session as well.

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Michael Rinker: there's a lot of complexity about these water challenges across the various sectors, you know, whether it be AG, whether it be within a city, whether it be you know other municipal or or disadvantaged communities.

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Michael Rinker: there's a lot of complexity here and, and so I guess part of my question is, you know we we've made some probably saw some great progress, you know in San Francisco.

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Michael Rinker: But we haven't really made significant progress in addressing these challenges is it because they're just too complex, we can't get our arms around.

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Michael Rinker: Or do we need to change our ways of thinking about some of these challenges, and you know I just like to get some of your perspectives on this, you know beyond just a funding challenge and I know funding is really important, I don't take that lightly.

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Michael Rinker: But beyond funding Can you help us maybe give some perspective on that you know how to deal with these complexities.

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Michael Rinker: So, open up to any one of the speakers.

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Christobel Ferguson: Well, I could have I could have a go first, I guess, I you know I think one of the biggest challenges is really in trying to you know.

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Christobel Ferguson: make a business case you know, like a you know, several speakers have indicated, you know, our primary core mission in the water sector is to provide services to our communities and to try and do that in a way that's sustainable and equitable and affordable.

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Christobel Ferguson: You know that's becoming increasingly difficult with aging infrastructure, and so we pointed out, there are some communities that have never been served by services, yet, and so.

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Christobel Ferguson: You know, we are wanting to do better, but I think how do we make a business case to do that, we have to manage risk, we have to manage resources, and I think.

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Christobel Ferguson: You know it's it's time to have policies and regulations that perhaps incentivize utilities to be able to move down these innovative paths.

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Christobel Ferguson: And I think to collaborate I think collaboration is a real opportunity here to see.

1101
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Christobel Ferguson: You know, a provision of services to communities in a much more integrated way, so rather than just say Okay, where the water sector we're just going to do our bit.

1102
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Christobel Ferguson: How can we work with the energy sector, with the transport sector to plan integrated services for our communities to create livability for our communities, so you know I think closing the loop and resource recovery is going to be absolutely critical, how can we do that, in a way.

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Christobel Ferguson: That incentivizes fun to do that without you know, but at the same time management.

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Michael Rinker: else offers.

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Anne Thebo: yeah I can jump in real quick yeah i'm kind of flipping the question I just had a little bit and thinking about Okay, where i've seen successful projects, you know what were some of the commonalities between them.

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Anne Thebo: And you know, a couple of things that have struck me, are you know a lot of these projects really start with a champion, you know who really engages with a diverse range of stakeholders.

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Anne Thebo: So you know building that human capital to you know, to get those people in communities and doing I think that's a big one.

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Anne Thebo: um you know, and also, you know maximizing multiple benefits yeah so creating win, win situations for all of the stakeholders and partners, and I think those are some characteristics of.

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Anne Thebo: You know some of the really successful projects we've seen So how do we replicate that you know writ large.

1110
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Anne Thebo: Just one thing.

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Michael Rinker: anybody else.

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Zoe Roller: yeah I can add something I think part of the reason, especially when it comes to the water access challenges, challenges I talked about but it's been difficult to make progress is that.

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Zoe Roller: It really does need to be approached as a racial justice issue and not just an infrastructure issue.

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Zoe Roller: And in the research that we did we found that a lot of those stats I shared about who's affected those continue to be significant even when you take out variables like income and urban or rural.

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Zoe Roller: So I think approaching this from the standpoint of racial justice and having that present in how solutions are developed.

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Zoe Roller: will make it more possible to make progress, about replicating the kind of disparities that were there in the histories of power systems for setup.

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Zoe Roller: And I think, also the problem of economic inequality, you know, this is, these are challenges that the water sector can't really solve on its own, especially the issue of funding local utilities, because when you have populations that are really in poverty.

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Zoe Roller: The sector can kind of change their funding, but that is something that needs to be addressed with.

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Zoe Roller: At a much larger scale and looking at things like housing stability and work for some jobs to address that more broadly, and then the last thing I would say it's just that I think there are a lot of.

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Zoe Roller: smaller projects that have attempted to take on some of these access challenges and that haven't been successful because they're not developed in conversation with people from the Community so.

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Zoe Roller: They may not be responsive to the local context so again, I think, having people who have experienced the challenges as decision makers on the projects makes them a lot more likely to be effective.

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Michael Rinker: anyone else.

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Michael Rinker: Okay.

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Michael Rinker: So and and we've kind of gotten we kind of have.

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Michael Rinker: talked about this a little bit and and I think so you just kind of mentioned it as well, in terms of stakeholder communities and working with those who are most affected, and then being part of the part of the solution, as opposed to you know the problem and and.

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Michael Rinker: You know what we see in many cases is you know the the I have to I win you lose scenario and and so i'm curious.

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Michael Rinker: You know, do you have does anybody have any more perspectives on how to turn these into more of the win, win or yeah I got to give up something but i'm going to get something in return and and you know any any thoughts or comments you know with regard to some of these complex problems.

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John Willis: So I know.

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John Willis: I have a quick, one of the.

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John Willis: The capital cost and the need for capital and we've talked about it for equity purposes right there people just have enough money, but even people even utilities with money don't think they have.

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John Willis: They have huge obligations that they're just trying to fund.

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John Willis: And the thing that's strange to me is.

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John Willis: There are things that waste for utilities can do to make money.

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John Willis: But.

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John Willis: We don't do a very good job of it and it.

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John Willis: doesn't move the needle as often as it should.

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John Willis: Because hey I can make a project that will save me three or $4 million a year.

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John Willis: Well, I don't have $10 million to invest to save the three or $4 million a year, because I have to do replacements it's.

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John Willis: I think we need to look as a longer term vision and a lot of times it's because come back to you on a three year payback the I think as an industry it's not like we're going to disappear.

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John Willis: If if it's likely that doing all recovery project makes your rates lower in 20 years or 30 years rather do it.

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John Willis: switches going to dry up, and I think it's just a different, especially the borrow money at one or zero percent or 2% for the bond mean, I think we could do more and.

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John Willis: I think we ought to especially looking at what the opportunities the next 45 years.

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John Willis: Such hopeful pleading how's that sound.

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Michael Rinker: It sounds good yeah anybody else want to respond.

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Al Cho (he/him): You know I think the only thing I would add, is you know efficiency is one of the only free lunches.

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Al Cho (he/him): But when you think about the implementation of energy efficiency at scale, one of the things we often hear from water utilities, particularly ones that are municipal.

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Al Cho (he/him): Is that well you know the city doesn't want us to do this because it'll hurt the power utility and it's out from one pocket and.

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Al Cho (he/him): And into another, and there are all kinds of incentives like that that are buried at different levels of decision making.

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Al Cho (he/him): That make it harder to pursue even the things that seem like they're the easiest and so those are areas for people who are smarter than I am to sort out but.

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Al Cho (he/him): The fact is that there are a lot of technology solutions that could be implemented that aren't in part because there are conflicting incentives, even to pursue things that would see that first blush to be a win, win situation.

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Michael Rinker: yeah.

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Michael Rinker: anybody else.

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Michael Rinker: Okay, I have one more question, and this is kind of from a daily perspective and and then i'm going out and i've got some other very specific questions that others have.

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Michael Rinker: Put into the chat earlier but.

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Michael Rinker: You know, one of the things I think the to do we continue continue continually tries to get their arms around is you know what should do each role or even.

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Michael Rinker: From the broader perspective, what is the government's role, and I mean that government collectively not just you know necessarily 111 Agency but.

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Michael Rinker: You know from from from all your perspective, since you guys are all you know kind of.

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Michael Rinker: External to to do we, and what we're up to it, do you think should be the role of government, the role of D and helping to solve some of these challenges, you know I know it's funding, but you know, is it is there are other things we can do that, you can provide us some insight on.

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Christobel Ferguson: hey look, I think, in one of the key roles of government is really to show leadership them to to set a direction, and you know, certainly.

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Christobel Ferguson: i'll mention the imagination challenge and the focus that.

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Christobel Ferguson: The US border lines is bringing to that topic, and you know I gave an example in that workshop that was about the the Australian Government implementing a carbon tax, and that had an incredibly beneficial effect on.

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Christobel Ferguson: Businesses actually looking at how they could then start to price their carbon they started measuring carbon they started working out like what their liabilities we're going to be in how I could go about.

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Christobel Ferguson: You know, changing their businesses to to actually reduce their carbon footprint and, unfortunately, the government decision was reversed subsequently and so that kind of undo the lot of the head start that was made, but I think.

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Christobel Ferguson: You know, it is evidence that you know if a government sets a direction then industry will take note of that and will act accordingly and I think.

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Christobel Ferguson: Even beyond that it sends a clear message to two communities that this is an important issue, this is something that we all need to be working on together to achieve, and I think that.

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Christobel Ferguson: is a really important message, because all of us as individuals, make choices every day that relate to what products we use.

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Christobel Ferguson: You know whether we recycle our Congress, you know how long shall we take all of those things, ultimately, are contributing to to climate change and actually.

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Christobel Ferguson: You know those ripple effects actually matter, so I think yeah leadership is a really important component and a direction that the Federal and State governments on all levels of government can can bring to this process.

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Thank you.

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Anne Thebo: I can run real quick um you know I think I think God is moving in this direction, but um you know normalizing the incorporation of institutional challenges.

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Anne Thebo: In research, so you know when we're developing new technologies, thinking about the path to you know, adoption and scaling and incorporating that from the get go.

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Anne Thebo: and, possibly, maybe even making that part of funding requirements yeah because it takes a lot of time and money to really meaningfully engage with you know stakeholders to hold convenience do that that sort of thing.

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Anne Thebo: yeah and you know, possibly, you know more focused on kind of co development of research with stakeholders and that sort of thing we really beneficial.

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Zoe Roller: yeah I would echo all of that, I think any kind of support for technical assistance for the adoption and implementation of these kinds of approaches that can help with smaller communities, and I think like new higher tech things but also.

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Zoe Roller: Less high tech or more established types of strategies that can be made more affordable or more simplified it easier to adopt, first of all systems.

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Zoe Roller: And I think part of doing that is just building up more of the social infrastructure at the state level between.

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Zoe Roller: State level government agency representatives may be collaborating with other agencies like usda and then building relationships with the community leaders and local utilities in places that are really facing water stress.

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Michael Rinker: You know.

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Al Cho (he/him): If I could just add a couple of very quick things I think one is around you know doing a special place in the water discussion, I think, is around maybe helping.

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Al Cho (he/him): negotiate some of those trade offs between power utilities and water utilities, but also unlocking some of the potential opportunities and so.

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Al Cho (he/him): The extent that we can look at you know at the municipal level some programming that would help demonstrate how those have been resolved or taken advantage of.

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Al Cho (he/him): I think that would be a really interesting addition.

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Al Cho (he/him): The second thing i'd say is you know, there are a couple of big areas that I think, need to be skills, over the course of the next couple of years around.

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Al Cho (he/him): Things like anaerobic digestion that's you know highly efficient source of bio energy and or.

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Al Cho (he/him): The widespread implementation of optimization solutions to significantly reduce the energy consumption of our water infrastructure.

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Al Cho (he/him): And you know thinking about what are the critical pathways there and do is roll around getting to full potential on some of those important leaders that have so many multiple benefits would be really important.

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Al Cho (he/him): I think the third is just the publication and constant kind of celebration of case studies, one of the things I commented about Julia is paper Dr owners paper around.

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Al Cho (he/him): pathways for decentralized energy in in California and one of the really great things about, that is just how tangible some of the examples are.

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Al Cho (he/him): A big part of our theory of change around you know the imagination challenge and other areas around decarbonisation is that the less.

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Al Cho (he/him): scary you can make it by showing how many other people have done things like what Paula has done in SF DC and others, the easier it is for other people to adopt in a highly rigorous sector.

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Al Cho (he/him): And so you know I think the deal is a very important fact based evidence based credentialing role to demonstrate how some of the successes in the sector are real experiences that can be replicated and scaled by people all across the country.

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Michael Rinker: Great Thank you anybody else.

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Michael Rinker: Okay, so I do have a couple of specific questions that I was trying to capture as you guys were talking, you know earlier and and now, and these some of these are more specific to one or or or more of you, but there was a question out during your presentation.

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Michael Rinker: about some of the power latency constraints of distributed Ai systems.

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Michael Rinker: I don't know if you wanted to try to address I know that's getting kind of you know we're jumping down here a little bit, but.

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Al Cho (he/him): If you're gonna say I got I sent a note to.

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Michael Rinker: Oh okay.

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Al Cho (he/him): Okay sorry about that and we'll we'll go offline on that one because it gets pretty.

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Michael Rinker: Okay, all right we're back.

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Michael Rinker: sorry about that I missed I missed it, you would respond to that.

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Michael Rinker: I see you in christabel you'd mentioned some things in your presentation around some of the current challenges.

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Michael Rinker: And you know regarding sensors and and and this could probably open up to several of you, but you know what do you see, as some of those current challenges in materials is that timing is a method does it cost is it integration is at all the above.

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Christobel Ferguson: I think it's actually just robustness at the moment, I mean if you if you put a sensor in a wastewater treatment plant.

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Christobel Ferguson: You know that's that's a pretty harsh environment for a sensor to operate in and so fouling of sensors is a big issue once you get fouling, then you get drift of your readings and so trying to keep.

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Christobel Ferguson: Good quality data and generate good quality data senses in these kind of environments is really, really challenging and I think you know, once we start to see some of those hurdles overcome.

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Christobel Ferguson: we're going to start seeing some good quality data, hopefully being generated, which is going to feed into all the machine learning and Ai approaches that are being applied, and I think that.

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Christobel Ferguson: that's going to really you know enable real time optimization and management of processes in field and that's that that potentially is a game changer, so I think there are a lot of people working on this.

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Christobel Ferguson: You know it's just we were just talking, today, actually about the potential for a project to look at.

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Christobel Ferguson: Assessing some of the sensors that are out there on the market and actually doing some of the field testing of them and try to work with utilities on that so that's you know that's a topic that I think a lot of people are really interested in at the moment okay.

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Michael Rinker: anyone else, want to jump into that one.

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Michael Rinker: Okay.

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Michael Rinker: The only other there was a comment I think john you probably actually maybe have covered it but i'm gonna throw it out there anyways I think this one came from Peter.

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Michael Rinker: saw i'll read what he said, because I don't want to take credit for it for for a couple of the words he's used here but that's fine.

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Michael Rinker: You know, Peter it indicated in some utilities he's spoken to they wish, they could make a product that is more valuable than just simply converting ways to methane.

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Michael Rinker: or waste to methane electricity because electricity is just a crappy product it's too cheap.

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Michael Rinker: And and and so you know this comment was you know, a teacher an anaerobic digesters bioreactor to make polystyrene or Omega three fatty acids, or something and I know you kind of went into the district eating well any comments on that.

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John Willis: Well, I.

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John Willis: It really depends, it helps with incentives right government creates incentives and right now, even if you're not in California with friends, I don't think it was attracted that rooms right now we're up to like $3 and 40 cents a gallon.

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John Willis: Which is about 50 cents higher than i've ever seen before that's also about 42 bucks a million bto.

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John Willis: Natural dense right now the energy is going for two and a half or three bucks and.

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John Willis: it's 15 times more valuable, to put it in a vehicle is renewable fuel and then the rfs the i'm, but a lot of that is how you do the renewable natural gas and.

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John Willis: If you want to keep that great.

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John Willis: Because there's a lot of gravy.

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John Willis: You got to go about it differently than most of most utilities do, which is, I want to turn this all over to somebody else and then it's probably going to break even or you might even lose.

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John Willis: Because because of the way the risks are compounded and the prime doesn't have control of anything so everything is sub so everybody's got a market after market after market and then, if you want them to guarantee you money back all you're doing is capping your maximum return.

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John Willis: Because they're going to guarantee you the thing that they know they could never see.

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John Willis: And we're just not good at making money, and yet there are ways to make money.

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John Willis: And you know they're they're certainly handcuffs and utilities.

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John Willis: Just a, for instance, right everybody says well what arena is going to cost or they're going to be a buck, are they going to be 340.

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John Willis: i'll tell you one thing you don't know I don't know, nobody knows, but don't budget for this year, if you make 10 million bucks next year or you make one and a half million bucks next year.

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John Willis: use it next year.

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John Willis: it's Just what do you do with the risk if nobody can control it don't put that anchor around anybody's next neck, so I think there are specific in renewable natural gas.

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John Willis: That could make everybody until today.

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John Willis: So that's just one example, but it wouldn't surprise me if there's not renewable metric astronaut, going to be April Fools with a carbon tax that makes a lot of money i'd like to think at 50 bucks and metric ton be incentivized to sequester similar to.

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John Willis: What i'm saying I mean.

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John Willis: What is it.

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John Willis: There are things that will pencil out and make sense if there's an economic reason to do it now whether or not that's enough to have somebody do it or not, it's still another lift because it won't be core mission.

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Michael Rinker: Well, with that I can see that the shepherd's crook is coming after me now that Ross has has turned his camera on so I want to thank the.

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Michael Rinker: Speakers I really want to thank you guys for all of your time and efforts and putting together the presentations answering questions and.

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Michael Rinker: And we certainly hope that all of you are able to join us next week during some of the the breakout sessions that you're interested in and and again thank you so much for your time and Ross I will turn it over to you.

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Ross Brindle: yeah thanks Mike Thank you panel really excellent really excellent insights and I appreciate the diversity of perspectives on this panel, in particular, so thank you.

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Ross Brindle: With that we transition into our final portion of our agenda, and I have to compliment you because you've been doing a great job as we've been going through the meeting.

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Ross Brindle: of adding ideas to the sleep session around what our fifth breakout session should be.

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Ross Brindle: i'm going to turn it over to Melissa now and she's going to walk us through and a little bit more detail the thinking behind topics one through four so we understand what's in those what's out of those scopes to.

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Ross Brindle: The extent we can, and that will help us inform this final discussion.

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Ross Brindle: If you're not logged into the actually session now it's a good time to do so, I think 75 per view or so have already done so.

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Ross Brindle: I see 20 of you in there, right now, so jump into that actually now and review what's in there, and while you're doing that Melissa will give us a sense for both the topics that we know we will be discussing.

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Ross Brindle: On days, two and three, Melissa to you okay.

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Melissa Klembara: Great I don't know if they can pull sort of my presentation backup the kind of back end slides had a summary of the the sessions um so i'll wait for a minute for that and, if not i'll just try to talk to them off the top of my head here.

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Ross Brindle: you'll be able to get them up here.

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Ross Brindle: and joy if you're having problems with that I can do that on my side, I can share my screen.

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Ross Brindle: Oh.

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Melissa Klembara: hey yeah we can flip through.

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Ross Brindle: I know sorry up on slide 186.

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Melissa Klembara: yeah.

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Ross Brindle: So maybe you should see.

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Melissa Klembara: That this is fine, too, I can.

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Melissa Klembara: I can just talk to this Okay, so why you are all, if you want to go back to.

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Melissa Klembara: that's fine.

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Melissa Klembara: So.

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Sorry.

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Ross Brindle: I think she probably has a lag on her machine so joy.

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Ross Brindle: Okay i'm gonna share my screen, because I have a teed up and you're.

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Ross Brindle: Like okay just lagging a bit.

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Melissa Klembara: Great.

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Ross Brindle: So let me do that.

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Melissa Klembara: Great hopefully everyone's on excellent now kind of throwing out or ideas or adding to them um.

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Melissa Klembara: yeah, so I think a lot of what we heard today, hopefully fits nicely into some of the sessions, that we have already planned there's a lot of room for expansion on these sessions.

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Melissa Klembara: The plan, just so you know kind of the the run of show for these breakout sessions next week on the 14th and 16th is that each of these leads and co leads has already prepared.

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Melissa Klembara: i'm a little bit of almost like a like a scoping strongman document of.

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Melissa Klembara: of how we're thinking about this space and some of the challenges that we we've heard of or know and kind of putting them out there for people to kind of throw darts at and add to.

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Melissa Klembara: And so you know that's that's kind of how we wanted to handle these breakout sessions is instead of us showing up to a breakout session where we're just going into a lot of white space.

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Melissa Klembara: We wanted the leads and co leads have already done a little bit of initial thinking on some of the challenges and opportunities in these areas and how to lay them out, for your for your feedback and to continue to iterate on.

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Melissa Klembara: In the breakout session, and so there will be an opportunity for you to meet some of these breakouts we're anticipating might be, you know upwards of 70 people 6070 people, so what we'll do is we'll start off in a big group.

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Melissa Klembara: And like, in this case, for the first one Mike and matt matt and from our water power technology office they'll kind of lay out some of the thinking and thoughts that we've heard about.

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Melissa Klembara: machine learning artificial intelligence sensors data, you know there's a lot of ideas in that space and so they'll kind of lay out some synthesized information.

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Melissa Klembara: Of what we've heard about basically smart manufacturing and intelligent water systems and then we'll go into kind of many breakouts from that breakout session and they'll be upwards of three and so hopefully there'll be around 25 or so people there will be.

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Melissa Klembara: A do we person or a leader co lead representing do we workshop in that session kind of facilitating the conversation getting you going on iterating on some of the initial ideas and then we'll come back together.

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Melissa Klembara: So that each of the mini breakouts can share some of their top ideas and we'll have that do we will have that as kind of.

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Melissa Klembara: take away information to consider a potential topic or topics in any one of these breakout sessions or multiple.

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Melissa Klembara: topics in each of these depending on how much money we get.

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Melissa Klembara: And so the the topic areas that we had kind of initially laid out was the first one, which I just talked about kind of in that data space which seems like it's of interest and we've heard a lot about that today.

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Melissa Klembara: i'm The second topic area, you know, mostly well I think there's a lot of opportunities in in the ag water, space.

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Melissa Klembara: We saw that is an interest area of erie and what are the priorities for decarbonizing agriculture, agriculture and we think that there's some nice overlap between energy, water nexus energy, water, food.

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Melissa Klembara: And ag decarbonisation and so we're trying to kind of think about how to focus some of our efforts there and the breakout session number two.

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Melissa Klembara: And then we have one that i'll be leading in the municipal water wastewater space water reuse and I think a lot of that is.

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Melissa Klembara: You know opportunities we might have already been focusing on and thinking about, but we, we heard some you know concepts today that you know building level scale Community residential scale like, how do we think about water.

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Melissa Klembara: treatment and reuse and circularity at different scales and how do we look at synergies between municipal water and other sectors, and what are some opportunities there.

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Melissa Klembara: And so Julia Homer will be co leading that session with me and then we have amanda lounge Barry who's the trillions fellow working with me at the Department of Energy and rajesh Andre.

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Melissa Klembara: At EPA, who will be leading up a discussion on.

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Melissa Klembara: small scale water systems like we heard about, for you know these remote rural native communities are underserved communities that don't have access to clean water.

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Melissa Klembara: and have to go pretty far or have you know only have water available, that is, you know polluted and so, how can we help these you know remote native rural communities or other underserved communities.

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Melissa Klembara: through different water treatment options modular decentralized autonomous systems.

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Melissa Klembara: And so, those are the four that we've teamed up so far and we really would like you know your thoughts through this excellent platform to determine the fifth one.

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Melissa Klembara: Maybe you know we could put a wrapper around a couple of the top ideas we'll have to see how this shakes out but that's sort of a little bit of a briefing on.

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Melissa Klembara: kind of the four that we thought through, you know one glaring hole someone from the advanced manufacturing Office might point out is that we didn't really we don't really have one in the industrial water, space.

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Melissa Klembara: or in the manufacturer ability of technologies, since we are the manufacturing office so i'm sort of being self critical here so be feel free to put it up as an idea.

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Melissa Klembara: But that's that's one that might be a little bit of an obvious hole in being from the advanced manufacturing office but we're really open to any input, you have and i'll turn it back over to Ross to go through that actually platform.

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Ross Brindle: Great excellent Melissa Thank you so much, so let me escape from here, and you can see my screen now.

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Ross Brindle: Where i'm sharing my view of the content to next leap, and hopefully you all are in here with me, I see many of you are here.

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Ross Brindle: And what what we've asked you just as Melissa said, is what should that fifth discussion topic be and I know the answer is.

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Ross Brindle: Lots of these ideas right there's not just one additional topic we could we could have probably 10 different breakout topics and still not get through.

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Ross Brindle: All of the critical issues we heard about a lot of different issues today through the panel presentations that's fantastic.

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Ross Brindle: And as you are in your own instance of X leap and looking in your own web browser as opposed to the screen share, you can scroll scroll up and down this list and see lots of great information.

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Ross Brindle: and ideas shown here i'm not inclined to read them to you, but i'll just give you a quick a quick understanding in case you didn't notice on how to use this tool.

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Ross Brindle: You can add to our list of possibilities with this box down here called your idea here, most of you have figured that out you've added a bunch of ideas throughout the course of the day.

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Ross Brindle: So that's excellent, you may or may not have also noticed that you can open up this commenting panel.

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Ross Brindle: Which if you're not looking at it may look like this, you click on this little chat icon to the far right.

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Ross Brindle: And it opens up a commenting panel, where you can build on these ideas, you can see several people say I agree, this is an important idea.

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Ross Brindle: You can see some additional links and in some of these two other informational resources and so that conversation has been occurring throughout the day.

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Ross Brindle: Where we're going to go with this exercise in about I don't know 10 minutes is i'm going to turn on a voting functionality and you'll have the ability to allocate.

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Ross Brindle: votes, and that will help us get a sense from from this group about where your big priorities lie for that fifth discussion topic.

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Ross Brindle: that's not going to make the decision for us but we'll take that information back with Melissa and the Planning Team and and think through how we can structure, the most useful fifth.

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Ross Brindle: Discussion session so that's the process here now what i'm going to do is just give you a moment to read through this again rather than me reading it to you that's I think unnecessary i'm just going to give you a moment to read through this in silence.

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Ross Brindle: And then, if you see any ideas that are really missing, you can add them in the your idea here box at the bottom.

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Ross Brindle: If you see opportunities to cluster or combine some of these you can put those kinds of comments in there as well, you can you can then i'll move them around.

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Ross Brindle: If you very important if you cannot access the actually but I know some sometimes people have difficulty, you can send your ideas to me through the zoom chat and I will put them into the tool for you, so they get consideration.

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Ross Brindle: So i'll give you, you know, three or four minutes of quiet time which you haven't had for the last four hours more or less and let you let you have a chance to read through and think about these ideas and offer any additional ideas that are missing from the list.

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Ross Brindle: yeah someone sent me an idea, a note saying test idea, one is being considered encountered correct and and yes that's what I just put into to.

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Ross Brindle: Get you started, but the topic of industrial wastewater treatment several others have said, yeah like this topic so that's going to be one of the ones you're able to vote on good question.

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Ross Brindle: Well, to continue to read through.

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Ross Brindle: And i'm doing the same, as you can see, by looking at how my my my mouse is tracking.

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Oh.

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Oh.

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Oh.

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Ross Brindle: don't forget to scroll down the list because some of the new newly added ideas are towards the bottom and you may miss that if you don't scroll to the bottom.

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Ross Brindle: And I should also say that we will capture all of this information and will be, will be using this information we're going to save the zoom.

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Ross Brindle: The chat log which there's great information exchange, there will save all of that information and it'll be useful for informing do he's thinking and planning in the space, nothing will be lost.

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Ross Brindle: A couple of calls to combine seven and 10 so i'm just going to do that quickly and i'll it'll keep them together, but will merge them.

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Ross Brindle: and hopefully as you're going through this list and digesting what's in here you're taking notes on oh yeah that's a really good one, you know i'm going to give you.

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Ross Brindle: Right now, I have it keyed up to give you five votes I may give you a little bit more than that, so be thinking right now about the ones that you, you will want to personally prioritize.

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Ross Brindle: you're doing really well with this tool.

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Ross Brindle: good job.

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Ross Brindle: another couple of minutes to read through here.

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Ross Brindle: towards the bottom at least one of you as modeling on the brain number 40 number 4852 all are in that general area of machine learning and models and.

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Ross Brindle: Digital twinning, but I see a comment from one of our team saying the exact same thing, maybe combining them all and yeah the comment thanks Mike.

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Ross Brindle: They might be able to be those comments may be able to feed into our first breakout session on on data and data modeling and machine learning so that all of that is useful information to bring into that session.

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Ross Brindle: thanks for that.

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Ross Brindle: If anyone sees other opportunities to cluster some of these ideas, before I asked you to vote that would be helpful information to send to me or you can, I think we have enough enough few enough people here that you can just unmute yourself.

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Ross Brindle: and speak in Jared, could you please post, the link to the actually began because I have a person asking ask them to join and they just rejoined the zoom.

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Ross Brindle: Thank you.

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Ross Brindle: Buying 23.

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Ross Brindle: fundamental shift and treatment, technology and 47.

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Ross Brindle: can bring 23 down and put it within 47.

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Ross Brindle: We can always undo that if people disagree with that, but i'm just looking to tighten up the set a little bit Thank you matt.

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Ross Brindle: Last call for any comments additions questions merging concerns before I let you.

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Ross Brindle: allocate prioritization votes.

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Ross Brindle: Okay.

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Ross Brindle: So i'm going to turn on the voting now so in your instance of actually you should now see near the top left corner of the of the window eight.

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Ross Brindle: A green circle, with eight in it, and this is a simple drag and drop voting methods so you drag sometimes there's a little bit of a lag so be patient with it click.

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Ross Brindle: drag it to the item that you want to vote on, and then release it and it'll show your vote stuck there.

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Ross Brindle: I have it set so you can only vote once on each item, so you can ignore the number one once it's there.

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Ross Brindle: And i'm asking you to vote on eight of these ideas that if you got to choose your your topic would be among these eight I gave you eight because there's no there's about 30 or so distinctive items in our list.

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Ross Brindle: And i'm just going to give you the next three, four or five minutes to think about that make your selections.

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Ross Brindle: And then, once you've done that I can show us what the voting looks like for now temporarily as a snapshot and then then we'll bring the session to a close.

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Ross Brindle: As we do this as you do your voting just going to move my vote off so it's not so I don't forget, as you do your voting if you see other comments you want to make other ideas you want to add, you can still do that that's not turned off.

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Ross Brindle: yeah if you're if you haven't gone and read through all of the kind of some really meaty rich comments and some of these items, so I really appreciate everybody for providing that level of expertise and put Thank you.

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Ross Brindle: Again we're voting using the the sticky dot.

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Ross Brindle: And the upper left where you just click and drag it onto the item you wish to vote for you can vote for update you don't have to use all eight.

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Ross Brindle: give you another minute or two to do that and make your selections.

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Ross Brindle: Do you like a little bit more time to vote or is everybody situated more time if you need to need a minute or two more just say yes in the chat real quick or unmute yourself and say, yes, no give you a little more time yeah okay thanks.

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Ross Brindle: looks like Paul you're you're saying yes, but I couldn't quite make out what you set out for them.

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Ross Brindle: Okay nope no problem i'll give you another couple minutes I see some other thing yeah they need a little bit more time to read through so Take your time.

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Ross Brindle: Paul, are you speaking to the to me.

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yeah.

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Ross Brindle: I couldn't hear what you said i'm sorry.

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Ross Brindle: Please drag on idea, yes.

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Paul Hoeschen: What are we dragging.

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Ross Brindle: You should see a green circle, with an eight in it.

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Ross Brindle: that's what that's what you're clicking and dragging good good question.

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Ross Brindle: Sorry, I got I got to this late no problem you're here the others are also needing time to vote, so please carry on.

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Ross Brindle: And again, as I mentioned before nothing's going to be i'm just going to mute your here policy we don't accidentally hear your background noise whoops.

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Ross Brindle: Nothing is going to be lost.

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Ross Brindle: Will capture all this information will use it for our to inform our thinking, but just, we have to choose one topic, and so, how we structure that is what we're trying to crowdsource for you, what are you most interested in, where do you think the biggest opportunity lies.

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Ross Brindle: i'm going to give one more minute.

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Ross Brindle: Okay, so i'm going to close voting now just because we're near time.

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Ross Brindle: So i'm going to close the voting and then i'll quickly sort, so we can see how it comes out again this isn't making our final decision, this is just giving us input on on where this group's interests live the most i'm going to shut off the voting in 321 stung.

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Ross Brindle: Then all sort.

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Ross Brindle: And let's take a look here Okay, so a decent number of.

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Ross Brindle: clustering you can see the top top item got 19 and then a couple of got 16 and then it starts trailing off to 13 and quickly down into single digits interesting that everything here got at least one vote so there's no bad ideas on the list.

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Ross Brindle: Very top one is this net zero w rf the efficient infrastructure, plus resilient infrastructure, and that was emerged with preparing for an uncertain energy and climate future lots of detailed comments on this particular item and that got the most the most interest from all of you.

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Ross Brindle: The then kind of in second place, we have two ideas industrial water wastewater treatment, a few different topics saying why that's such an important topic, and then the the topic written as aging infrastructure and deployment of water saving technology and measures through that lens.

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Ross Brindle: And you see some of the comments they're expressing why that would be important.

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Ross Brindle: And then number 42 is the next one down carbon sequestration, or just decarbonisation in the water and wastewater sector and that.

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Ross Brindle: carbon sequestration also relates to the number one choice and got another 14 books thanks for that Chen yeah so this one that we're talking about right now is potentially combined or merged into the the top vote getting item.

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Ross Brindle: Good observation so i'll again we're not trying to come to final resolution here, but we have a few minutes, where i'll just open up the floor for comments observations suggestions seeing this.

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Ross Brindle: What where do you think we're landing, as a group, and what do we think the topic should be I think if we had no further discussion, it would be on this topic number seven or or some.

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Ross Brindle: i'm not sure exactly how we'd phrase it, but in this area of how do we, how do we adapt and mitigate climate change and pursuit decarbonisation in the water and wastewater sector.

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Ross Brindle: Other other takeaways from this from the audience and you can unmute yourself we there's about 50 of us left so feel free to unmute and speak and if we're stepping on each other i'll intervene or put it in the chat.

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Ross Brindle: And I guess i'll also invite the the Planning Team that's been working to put this together, do you if you think that this ends up being our topic, do you have questions for that we can ask the Group to try to hone in on the scope, or is it pretty clear, as stated.

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Ross Brindle: Melissa you're if you're free to.

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Melissa Klembara: weigh in i'm just trying i'm just trying to read, I think.

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Melissa Klembara: We have a lot in the comments there's stuff to work with here.

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Ross Brindle: yeah and what what i'm what i'm seeing is number seven and number 42 combined will end up being being the topic.

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Ross Brindle: Okay well there's a Green, so I, I think that might do it for us and.

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Melissa Klembara: I just want to make sure, to thank all of our panelists and, especially, you know the rest of the the planning committee.

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Melissa Klembara: Like amanda allows Barry and into my TRAN within do we and Mike rinker and then all of our panelists for.

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Melissa Klembara: a wonderful discussion wonderful presentations and discussion today, it was really helpful and I think it Tees up nicely the breakout sessions that will have next week Ross do you want to add anything.

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Ross Brindle: i'll just add my thanks to everyone, this is a long session, I appreciate everybody sticking around.

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Ross Brindle: Join us on Tuesday next week and then again on Thursday next week for these two sessions, they all start at 1pm Eastern.

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Ross Brindle: And remember, if you will, everyone here has registered already um so with that Melissa, thank you for your leadership with this activity is a really important topic, a big opportunity for.

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Ross Brindle: The department and for the nation and for the Community so with that we can join today's meeting, thank you, everybody.

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Melissa Klembara: Thanks everyone.

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Melissa Klembara: good night.

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David Sedlak: Everybody yeah.

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All right.

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Kimmai Tran (DOE-AMO): Thanks rob thanks Julie for T all this stuff up for us.

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pleasure.

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Ross Brindle: Okay joy I think you're free to end the meeting now.